Honda named official engine supplier for 2010 Moto2 class

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The FIM announced at the Jerez MotoGP this weekend that Honda has been chosen over Yamaha as the sole enigine supplier for the HondaCup Moto2 class, beginning in 2010. The engines will supposedly be specced to have a little over 150 horsepower at the crank but we could honestly care less.

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The FIM has stated the 250cc 2-strokes will be allowed to continue, but none
have committed to carry on and we expect them to all drop out just like KTM did after the 600cc rule was announced. Don’t get us wrong, we really like Honda. Still, the idea of watching a bunch of inline-4 600cc bikes all powered by the same company makes us wish the apocalypse would hurry up.

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  • http://www.designronin.com Design Ronin

    How is this any different from Formula Ford, the BMW boxer cup or any other number of ‘same type’ race series? It’s not a bad thing and if one thinks about it seriously, it’s a pretty good one. It’s not replacing anything (is it?) it’s just providing one field where everything is even, so it’s about the racing and not the money behind it.

    • http://hellforleathermagazine.com Grant Ray

      Moto2 is replacing the 250cc class of Grand Prix racing, Design Ronin.

      Also, your examples of single-manufacturer racing are boring. Nothing personal, but watching a bunch of Fords? Really?

    • http://hellforleathermagazine.com Wes Siler

      Formula Ford, Formula BMW, Formula Volkswagen and the like all make for exciting development series for big time car racing. They’re a valuable stepping stone for new racers who can’t attract the sponsors necessary to run in big buck series. However, they’ve always lacked the cutting edge technical development that’s made top class racing so exciting. I’m a tech nerd as much as I am a fan of riding prowess.

      Even though 250GP has been allowed to stagnate in recent years, it once was the home of engineers pushing the limits technical capability. Now, it looks like Moto2 will never be that. That’s sad.

      Maybe we need a new international road race series with bikes powered by electricity.

  • http://www.designronin.com Design Ronin

    Horses for courses I guess Grant. Machines make not the race, the riders/drivers do. I can think of more than enough races, especially GP, where they were so much like oatmeal because Honda, funnily enough, were just so much better mechanically than everyone else.

  • Dr. Gellar

    All the more reason to keep an eye on the upcoming TTXGP race at the Isle of Man in June. The organizers of TTXGP have said they want to eventually make a global series out of this concept. The inagural race is FIM sanctioned, and fortunately organizations like Dorna and the MSMA currently have no influence over it. And I hope it stays that way. At the very least, it will be interesting.

    As for Moto2, this series is a joke…and a waste of a great opportunity to create an affordable, competitive, entertaining and innovative class that could point to the way of the future for the blue-riband MotoGP class. Oh well…

  • Zaffod

    We can only hope that they dont put any limits on chassis technology, that might make it interesting!

  • Botswana Meat Commission FC

    As a new fan to moto racing, can someone explain to me (or put up a link) as to why the FIM decided to move away from the 250 2-strokes? Why not just move to 500cc 4-strokes?

    • http://hellforleathermagazine.com Wes Siler

      Well, they initially wanted to go 4-stroke to provide relevance to production machines and to save money. The thinking is development costs can be offset by direct benefits to road bikes.

      Dorna went with the 600cc capacity because Honda and the other Japanese manufacturers bullied them into it, wanting a direct relation between the bikes they sell and the bikes they race.

      Where this leaves Supersport racing, no one knows.

  • dimitri

    A one make racing series should have nothing to do with MOTOgp2. There are plenty other series catering for this. It will limit technical development and every bike will just have the same sound. Boring.

    It really isn’t a surpirse since the 4 cylinder bikes already got huge advantages (rpm and weight) over other configurations cylinder wise. The regulations were pretty much drawn -up by Honda.

    What a shame.

  • aoelus

    It is disappointing from a technical point of view to have an inline 4 series though the 2 stroke were what? 1…2 cylinder? I have no idea. They all looked and sounded alike to me. So not much change there. The biggest difference will be the corner speed I suppose. I was hoping for a three cylinder 450cc or something unorthodox. But it’s crunch time for the global economy so dumbing down is all the rage. Check out F-1 with it’s 40mil. cap. Another source of squabbles, I think.

  • broadaxe

    I’m with the haters here. About the only thing that could make this interesting is if they had to race carrying running chainsaws.

    What about unrestricted 500cc singles? They would end up north of 125′s on power, and fewer components would let manufacturers work on 4-stroke technology for less money than the premier class, with a logical transition to 250cc four stroke singles when Dorna gives in to the ecofreaks that finally realize that 125s burn oil, too.

  • ollieboy

    I like the 500 single idea, just a weight limit to even things out. Imagine the chassis designs that could spring up around a little thumper.

    As for where this leaves supersport, I think it makes the series stronger. Who wants to watch a bunch of honda 600s race around when you could watch Suzukis, Kawis, Yams and Trumpets too.

    My worry would be that Honda get an unfair advantage with 600 development and testing. Will they be making a chassis too, or will it be left to specialist chassis manufacturers?

  • ollieboy

    Also, will it be more expensive to lease an engine and design, develop, test and race your own chassis rather than simply lease a 250 or 600 from a major manufacturer?

  • v

    if honda would sponsor in part the moto2 class like ferrari and ford do in they’re one car championships than i would think it could be a good ideea.but they probably won’t so this sucks..i like to see different riders competing on the same bike since it tends to show the skill of the riders more and it makes for a pretty exciting race..with so many restrictions being imposed on the new 600 class from the beggining i think they will find a hard time finding sponsors and probably even teams.. bring back two stroke racing..a bunch of guys riding 2 strokes 600′s will be cool to watch

  • uncle ho

    This can only be good for world superbike. Oh, and now there is no chance that I will ever buy a Honda. Way to ruin it for everybody, you greedy douchbags. I hope pedrosa gets eaten by an angry housecat.

    • ace

      yeah, uncle ho, I bet big bad Honda did this all by themselves. Things are usually that simple. I bet the engine-making contract was rigged, because everyone knows how shitty Honda engines are. Indy must be in on it too!

      Dumbass.

    • killacommieforyourmommie

      “Oh, and now there is no chance that I will ever buy a Honda.”

      Oh no! What will they do without your pennies!

  • Andy

    Why can’t anyone get this phrase correct?

    It’s “could NOT care less”. Think about it.

    • Engrish101

      “Why can’t anyone get this phrase correct?

      It’s “could NOT care less”. Think about it.”

      LOL

  • http://www.suspectsunlimited.com Cru Jones

    Well, as much as I hate to see the 250 class go by the way-side, I’m not too unhappy that it’s gone single engine supplier. Sure it’d be more interesting if multiple engines and configurations would be allowed, but that would contrary to their ‘reasoning’ for making the switch. And the comments about how this would basically become something similar to a Formula Ford series; I say look at the line up of the current 250 GP. Out of the 22 that finished the last GP in Jerez 19 out of the 22 bikes were Aprilias (from a quick glance I only saw 3 Hondas & no, Gileras don’t count as a different manufacturer. We all know they’re just re-badged Apes).

    • http://hellforleathermagazine.com Grant Ray

      Cru, the only reason the majority are Aprilias right now is because KTM pulled their entire 250 class project after the 600cc inline-4 rule was passed. Wasn’t this year originally slated to have 2 factory bikes and 4 more leased KTM 250s on the grid?

      A 500 twin/thumper rule could have seen several marquees return to racing. Who wouldn’t want to cheer the return of a Gilera Saturno, even if it was just a rebadged Ape? Or a 500 MV Agusta or Yamaha OW01?

      • http://www.suspectsunlimited.com Cru Jones

        Grant – Fair play about KTM, but even still well over 65% of the field for a 250 GP for the last ~3 years has been Aprilias. Not saying that having different engine configurations wouldn’t involve more manufacturers, quite the opposite. However, with DORNA trying to cut costs the easiest place to do it was via a sole engine supplier. Now, I personally think this is all a load of crap and that it’s completely counter to the progression of motorcycles, but what are you gonna do. :( They’re just trying to keep MotoGP from falling into the same dilemma that F1 faced 5 years ago. I personally think that was one of the best eras of F1, but then again I am Ferrari fan. LOL

  • Dan

    Irony: 2 strokes are easier (therefore cheaper) to tune than 4 strokes.

    When people start to realize that the emissions problems have been resolved in marine 2 stroke motors, I really hope we’ll go back to 2 strokes.

    Much more efficient in terms of power to weight.

    • http://www.suspectsunlimited.com Cru Jones

      Agreed. I think that’s a lost cause unfortunately. All it would take for 2T to make a comeback (on the street anyway) is for one of the manufacturers to put a little bit of effort into making sure they pass the EPA tests. :(

  • http://muthalovin.com the_doctor

    The switch is entirely disappointing for fans of the sport. Hearing, a 250 whiz by, and more importantly smelling the hydrofluracarbons is one of the most memorable things I have ever experienced. I see (and hear)600cc Hondas every day, and makes the sport a lot less interesting for the fans in the grandstands.

  • aoelus

    Gilera Saturno, 500 MV Agusta,Yamaha OW01?

    You mean a race for Classics? Why not a Manx or a 7R Boy Racer? Hell, we can reverse engineer Sammy Millers V8 Moto Guzzi. That’ll knock their socks off!

    • http://hellforleathermagazine.com Grant Ray

      No, I’m not talking about turning Moto2 into a classics race Aoelus. I’m talking about brand leverage in a new 500cc 4-stroke class to replace the 250s. That way, we would have gotten the return of the great 500 class of Grand Prix racing.

      Only new bikes from the older famous marques that are still around. Norton is dead and I’m afraid Moto Guzzi couldn’t build a proper racer if all the engineers had a box of viagra each. But an MV F4 1000 lopped in half for prototype racing under the Red and Silver? Yes, please.

  • uncle ho

    ace, don’t take it out on me just because Dani declined your invitation to ride pillion to last years Honda Hoot on the back of your sweet tribal stickered F4i. It was probably just because he’s a closet V-twin fan. Probably had nothing to do with you as a person.

  • ace

    bah, Dani couldn’t see over my helmet mohawk and he kept complaining about the glare off the chrome shoulder pucks on my Icon jacket.

    uncle ho maybe you’re not such a bad guy. but don’t be so hard on Honda, they’re good people and it’s not a greedy douchebag company, trust me. competing for an engine contract is fair play, it doesn’t make them bastards just cause they won.

  • Ken

    Will this not just be a beauty parade from which the MotoGP teams can pick their next suicide jockey, with Honda getting first dibs because they’re all over EVERYONE?

  • aoelus

    I don’t think any of the current 250 teams are constructors, they buy ready made equipment. So for each to now develop their own chassis seems to increase their costs considerably and for Aprilla to offer a chassis for a Honda engine would seem doubtful, but maybe not. The idea seems to be new concepts in chassis designs would bubble up from this arrangement. Seems far fetched. Maybe if Team KR were still around he might market a stock chassis. Maybe they’ll buy a CBR600 and sell the engine to make way for the control one. The question is: how many will come to the line in 2010.

  • ollieboy

    The annoying part is that this will have almost no relevence to the consumer. The golden era of 250cc smoker gp spawned some amazing little roadbikes like the RGV, NSR, TZR, RS and (sort of) the KR. What will this add to motorcycling for the average knob like me?

    I own a 600, but it was made to compete in the supersort class. What will GP2 offer?

  • aoelus

    This from MotoGP web site:

    Moto2 will use standard options in terms of engine and electronics, but will continue the 250cc series´ pursuit of developmental excellence with the running of a prototype chassis -free from limitation. No production bike parts will be permitted for the frame, swing arm, fuel tank, seat and cowling, meaning that these aspects of the machine will also be left to the manufacturer and designers´ discretion.

    I don’t get it. As far as I can see current teams are running the Aprilia RSA 250, a complete package. Anyway I guess this means no CBR600RRs for what that’s worth.

  • Telekom

    I don’t object to a single make race. Let’s not forget the huge difference it can make to a racer’s results when the strategy, set-up and rider style all mesh together to be better than other teams. You rarely hear riders commenting after the race “I finished 18th because the bike was brilliant but I was shit”. Usually they say “We had some set-up problems with the brakes” or “I just couldn’t get heat into the tyres”. A single make race is just a different kind of race to multi-make, and you get a chance to see how riders really cope when the machines are more evenly matched. There was a great quote by Chris Carr in Bike mag recently, as he watched a flat track race in England – “I don’t see many bikes limiting riders, but I see a lot of riders limiting bikes”.

    And yeah, I think it should be “I couldn’t care less”.

  • http://www.anqam.com/page-proxy1.html fnm

    I appreciate and respect your point of view.