Destination: Beaver Run

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Shamu-Track.jpgGrant, me and a couple of our bike-loving buddies from the Classic Car Club are headed to Beaver Run for a NESBA trackday. We’ll be sharing pictures and storied via Twitter which, through the magic of teh Internets, will appear right here. We’d much rather talk to you than each other, so join in by tweeting at us or commenting below.

Update: We’re back, thanks to everyone who participated. Make sure you follow us on Twitter so you can too next time.

  • Brian Zooom

    have fun and hopefully you don’t get stuck in a NESBA clusterfuck of an overcrowded group with too many crashin kamakazi commando mofo’s much closer to you then you’de ever like.

  • Isaac

    Get a haircut and let me have that F4 behind you.

    J/K

  • Brian Zooom

    I am sorry that the truth was pretty durned close to exactly what I said. Hence why I do my best to stay away from NESBA events. I guess next, you are going to try doing a Team Pro-Motion event? They are kind of halfway between NESBA and SportBikeTrackTime IMHO FWIW.

  • Alex B

    TPM and Absolute are always a pleasure. But you end up seeing the same people whichever track day org you go to (NESBA incl.). I’ve seen great days and horrible days with every org.

  • http://Http://www.twitter.com/beastincarnate Ben Incarnate

    I enjoyed the heck out of reading the live feed yesterday. Thanks for the laughs!

    Wonder why so many mags said Shamu wasn’t too and on the track?

  • @TOV_Gerald

    Honestly I think motorcycle track days in this country are fundamentally broken. When you go do a car track day with NASA or Car Guys or any of the other orgs, they require students to sit through classroom instruction before each session they go out on track with their instructor. After they’ve demonstrated competency they move to the next group where they still have a few classroom sessions to attend. It is only in advanced group that students are allowed to go out alone and don’t have to go out to class.

    Yet on motorcycles which are much faster, much more difficult to operate, much easier to crash, and much more likely to hurt its operator, there is zero required instruction at the majority of track days. Of course you’re going to get a ton of crashes, people simply don’t know what they’re doing. It is simply insane that moto track days are run that way. And not only does it hurt the riders who end up with wrecked bikes or worse, it hurts the organizations running these events. If your customer goes out and destroys his bike he cannot come back and give you money for the next event. He may not ever come back to track days.

    So yeah NESBA may be worse than others but pretty much all of them are starting off with the wrong idea. It’s a true disservice to the sport.

  • Darek

    When I first signed up with Team ProMotion, I had to go through classes and controlled riding with instructors for all but the last few sessions of the day. They’d explain the whole course, point out the apexes, bring us up to speed gradually, make comments on our riding and welcome any questions.

    TPM is the only place I rode with so far, though.

    • Tom

      I rode with TPM recently at Lightening at NJMP. It was by far the worst run track day I have been to. They were extremely unorganized and didn’t offer much in the way of guidance what so ever. They never went over the track and many of the folks who appeared to be in charge had serious attitudes. It wasn’t about teaching it was about ego. There were a ton or run offs and crashes that day.

  • Darek

    They’d also observe everyone and give them hand signals to slow down and not ride over their heads. No one got really out of hand, so I don’t know whether they “black flag” people.

  • @TOV_Gerald

    Last time I rode with TPM they only had one classroom session. I wonder if it’s just something they don’t do at every event.

  • eze1976

    I’m pretty happy with trackday formats out here in Southern California. With the lack of a “Classroom” start they make up for it with great control riders that will take charge if they see anything that starts becoming a hazard. TI2TT (Take it 2 the Track) is a great example of a trackday provider that puts safety at the forefront of the day. Their control riders are profess. and damm good on top of that. I just wish we had more tracks and the money to make them smoother.

  • Isaac

    What was it like riding a bus around the track?

    • http://hellforleathermagazine.com Wes Siler

      We’ll get you an article soon as we have pictures :)

  • JimE

    Heck, when I first started doing track days with Reduc (now part of STT), they made you cornerwork an event before you were allowed to ride on the track. That was an effective way to get people to understand what was going on out there, but ended up limiting membership which hurt when track prices started going up.

  • Brian Zooom

    on TPM and classes, it depends on whether you are attending one of their track days or one of their school days. I personally prefer to ride with Cornerspeed as they have a ratio of no more than 2 to 1 of student to instructor/control rider, but that is only at VIR. Back to classes though, most of the organizations that have classes, do so mostly towards some class of race liscence.

    With instruction and car schools, they also have the added advantage of having the instructor sit next to you and give you direct point feedback live as you are doing what you are doing, whereas on a bike, that is next to impossible. You end up having debrief after a few laps or after the session. Most organizations also for bikes , you have to reach out to an instructor to help you, which they will do willingly. With Car organizations, you are assigned your instructor. The amount you take from any instructor though, depends on what you ask for and try and work on, no matter what type of vehicle it is.