New York's Fastest

ChuckNorris

Wes on the red, and Grant on the black?

Yknaks

enjoy reading all these negative comments. these guys are doing it and all you guys do is talk about it. after reading the article about them racing on the track I’m pretty sure they can drag a knee. Is that the main purpose for every want to be racer is to go to a trackday and see if they can drag a knee? Lol.
Its clear these guys are not amateurs. They state they have been doing this on a regular basis for years. Im sure by playing this game of death the Reaper would have collected their souls by now if they didnt know what they were doing.
Straight line for over 9 minutes? From all the videos I have seen of these guys on this guy da1000rrstuna youtube page, its clear these guys are hitting lots of sweepers at sick speeds and th other videos are pretty damn impressive.
So, call them what you like, I give them respect for doing something you dont see being done everyday by us mortals. Period.

Francis

These guys are a couple of idiots. They should start having sex with each other – this would be better for everyone. After a ride they should stick their walnuts into the exhaust pipe then tag team each other. Wait a minute. Maybe they should try this….. Go as fast as they can into a brick wall – video taping of course. That would be more impressive, more scientific, and more educational. Or maybe they have dildos stuck up their assets to help them stay focused. Now go gps your heads into each other.

http://www.thisblueheaven.com Mark D.

…cue the drama in 3, 2, 1…

Great feature. Just letting those guys speak for themselves is the best form of journalism.

No other magazine, online or in print, would touch a subject like this. Kudos, Grant and Wes. I’ve never hit triple digits, but I can certainly appreciate where these guys are coming from.

Beale

Idiots. Period.

Viceroy_Fizzlebottom

Like or not this IS part of the motorcycle culture and has been since day 1

Beale

Duly noted. Also note that they’re criminal. selfish idiots.
- http://www.thisblueheaven.com Mark D.
  
  Yeah, but isn’t the world a richer, more interesting place with them around :)

Chris

Idiots. Selfish idiots.

If you want to risk your life for momentary pleasure, that’s your business. I have no problem with that. BUT, when it’s publicized by the media, it draws negative attention to our community, and I for one don’t appreciate that. It gives legislators one more example in their arsenal against the motorcycle community. In this age of litigation and overzealous politicians trying to make a name for themselves, we can do without the glorification of idiots.

alan smith

Hmmm, risking your life for a moments pleasure, isnt that part of your culture:)

http://muthalovin.com the_doctor

Interesting to hear their point of view. Did it increase my respect for them? Um, no. While they may not be blasting through traffic during commute times while wearing shorts and helmetless, they are still fools. If you have a need to go fucking fast, try a track. Compete, and maybe get your cojones off that way.

nom22

Great piece agree with Mark D. wonder insight.

Roman

I can appreciate the modern day cafe racer aspect of what these guys are doing. Just stop the rationalizing of “boohoo it’s the manufacturer’s fault”. And stop insulting our intelligence about 140 through a 35 MPH turn…please.

Son of God

I’m faster than Skank!

Ken

Fascinating. It’s funny how everybody, psycopaths aside, develops their own code, some internal morality they rigidly adhere to. Even if it violates everyone else’s, to them it’s still their code. The actual law is simply the average of all possible codes I guess.

baconpocket

i agree with this guy. except i think the “average” is sometimes skewed by LOUD OPINIONS from few
Bricki

Uh – this is psychopathic behavior.

“Psychopaths gain satisfaction through antisocial behavior, and do not experience shame, guilt, or remorse for their actions. Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright. Psychopaths also lack empathy towards others in general, resulting in tactlessness, insensitivity, and contemptuousness. Psychopaths also have a markedly distorted sense of the potential consequences of their actions, not only for others, but also for themselves. They do not deeply recognize the risk of being caught, disbelieved or injured as a result of their behavior.”

Jimboz

I read this with the hope that the people that do this aren’t the complete tools they seem to be.

I’m disappointed.

I don’t have an issue with riding fast at night; my personal rule is no jackassing in a car on public roads before 2 AM (and I live in an incredibly rural area). I just wish “New York’s Fastest” had a bit more class as spokesmen of such an illustrious underground racing syndicate.

jeanyus

They are NY’s fastest according to themselves, I guess. By the way, I am the world’s smartest man — just ask me.

As for gps verified? I won’t bore you with a list of ways to fake that one. (unless you want me to.)

And why don’t you show us a video of how big your circus-style rear sprocket is, before you put the camera in the mount?

supermotoretard

i have to thank you from the bottom of my heart..i am touched.Your comment is the purest form of flattery,just the simple fact that you can’t fathom that we are actually going these speeds,the fact that the only sense youcan make is that it is fake…awesome.I am not gonna go through”bring your bike and i will show you b.s.”i am just gonna sit on my selfmade throne of stupidity and smile down upon you,yes you the non believer. i run a 16 front and a 43 rear,one tooth bigger in the rear than stock,due to the taller 200-55 n-tec dunlop that i run,again thanks for the compliment,you are the one that gets my nod,to all other negative haters…i still love you all,thanks for reading..and thanks to the people that helped you with the big words.I don’t expect anyone to understand what we do,but didn’t expect all the hate…

deckard

Can I have the 5 minutes of my life back that I wasted reading that?

DangerD

Lol@ husband, brothers, neighbors, friends. I don’t have too many dbag friends who served time.

Charlie

Shame on you Wes. Contrary to your introduction, they are not the dark secret in every riders mind, or heroes when people see speed limit signs. Speak for yourself. For that matter, you didn’t try to figure out what was wrong with them – because this was puerile glorification, not journalism. I wouldn’t have expected anything different from these dolts. Notwithstanding your initial post of the video I mistakenly expected more from this site. Sorry Wes…you want unvarnished truth, then let’s be real and say you are now officially complicit

JonJon

You are the reason USA motorcycle magazines are antiseptic, 100-page, snooze fests, Charlie. Someone comes along and writes something interesting for once and all of a sudden, it’s “irresponsible journalism” and a negative reflection on the motorcycling community.

It’s called life. While I don’t agree 100% with the subjects interviewed, they are as much a part of the community as you are. In my old group of riding buddies, I’d say about half fit the description of these guys (2 haven’t been on the street in months, probably because they’re lost their licenses) and we also had our fun on back roads past midnight.

However, I’m also a daily bike commuter, a married man and currently working on an engineering degree.

It takes all kinds. They may have a few screws loose, but they are your motorcycling brothers, like it or not.

Sean Smith

Awesome story. I wonder if there’s a LA group of guys like this…

s0crates82

There are a few, actually.

Here’s a question for you, though: would you join up? Do you trust your tires, skill, and suspension to keep you in a safe line on LA’s freeways at night?

I don’t. Ridges, grooving, potholes, long grease slicks, dogs, cats, mattresses, truck liners, fuck that.

There was a vehicle fire on NB 5 at the 2 last week. Traffic down to one lane. As soon as I passed the hulk, it was clear sailing. I hit 150mph alongside the park, and boy that was fast enough for me.
- Sean Smith
  
  I’d probably check it out. All the clubs/crews/etc I’ve seen are more into stretched out ‘busas, ghetto booty and stereo’s than going fast though. Without saying too much, I ride kinda quick on the street and I wonder if anyone else in LA is doing the same. As for tires, suspension and skill I have quite a bit of confidence. I’m a mechanic by trade, and my bike is top notch.
  
  It’s just something I wonder about. Back when I was into cars, there were groups of guys that always claimed to drive 150+, drift on the street, and generally make Need For Speed into reality. It was all bs, and I’m hesitant to believe that there are moto guys that pull it off. If there were such a group though, I’d definitely poke around and have a look.
  - http://adeysworld.com adeysworld
    
    aye are you the same sean smith i’ve exchanged messages with on FB?
http://adeysworld.com adeysworld

yeh i’m heading up the chapter! you want in?!

cityag

That was very good Wes, no bullshit. It’s also fun to see the “Hardhat Vs Hippie” debate on the comments.

Core

That was a very interesting read.

They have a unique philosophy on life.

http://www.urbanrider.co.uk Urban Rider

Their world is so far detached from mine I’m not going to even try and pass judgement. Very interesting read though.

I have a question for you Wes & Grant. Having met them have they either mastered fear through desensitisation or are their brains ‘lobotomised’ through in-breeding/bad genes?!

KP

Interesting glimpse into a culture I thought was more Hollywood than real-life. I was struck by how much their behavior shares with a Halo or Modern Warfare forum. Not sure I understand their aversion to the track, still. Thanks for not doing the standard BS; if this were a major publication, the end of this story would have been about crash statistics and CYA garbage.

nick

deuchebags….. do they think anyone sees them as anything else but?

any monkey with half a brain is capable of twisting throttle…to actually do it like these guys requires that you DO NOT half more than hallf a brain

nick

I guess I could’ve taken some time to spell check it….

superccs

I would gladly be forced to negotiate a motorway with a couple highly focused speeding maniacs on motorcycles compared to MANY distracted texting “don’t know the rules of the road” morons in SUVs A N Y T I M E of the day.

If you like going fast, the track is the place to be. If you want to go 200MPH on a highway, its best to do it on Thanksgiving morning at like 6am. :D For some reason people rarely travel on highways at that time, and its safer if you can see where you are going too.

Greg

Wow…. idiots being glorified. I think every major metropolitan city has similar guys/crews in it. These guys are glory hounds looking for attention and someone who cares. Calling these groups “crews” “syndicates” and other BS names makes them feel tough. What a bunch of blowhards, get to the track and everyone will see just how “fast” you really are. Real riders ride hard on the track.. squids and d-bags ride hard on the street.

2ndderivative

Many sport riders try to take turns at around double the suggested speed. No doubt most members of the public consider them suicidal maniacs.

That said, I wonder why “Skank” doesn’t go for a pro road racing career, given his speed. Is it just because potential sponsors take a dim view of ex-cons racing for them?

NickP

So they say they slow down to 130 or 140 when they come up to a car, but if you watch the video you’ll see that is bullshit. I don’t exactly follow every rule of the road, but putting innocent people in danger for my enjoyment isn’t something I can live with. These guys aren’t really any better than the squids they like to rip on, they just choose a different time of day.

JorgeJetson

Wes and Grant should be ashamed to glorify this. There is no journalism here, no questioning, just the perverse glorification of two retards with poor communication skills.

C Mad

I was with them until the “trackdays are for homos” line. These guys would be alot better served to let one of the slow guys in the group do the talking (preferably not a loud mouth idiot). But what do you expect from an ex-con, a fat guy with one arm, and a retard.

http://adeysworld.com adeysworld

let me start by stating that i hate writing and expressing myself.lol i usually just wanna smack the lot of you instead of replying to your gay ass comments. but here we go.

i was supposed to be present at this interview, but i was in nyc the weekend prior to attend a funeral. my bestfriend passed away on rt 7 in ct on july 4th riding his S1000RR.

my experience with this group started in 2004 when i met one arm. it was my first season riding any type of motorcycle. he took me under his broken wing, and showed me the way of “NYC’s FASTEST”. after riding with them for following seasons, then going to the track afterwards. i understand their lack of excitement for trackdays. once you hold the throttle pinned for 170+ thru a series of sweepers on the highway. a track session seems like a walk in the park on the sunny day with picnic baskets. i still have yet to get my fill at the track. yeh i have fun pushing the bike to its limits in a safe environment, but something in me thirst for life threatening speeds in places prohibited.

supermoto’s reason for saying trackdays are for homos refers to all the bike clubs getting wind of doing trackdays. although this is good for the sport, this is not the exposure THEY want the track to have. no longer the safe haven for the hardcore track enthusiast, this select group chose to get their “nut off” in another fashion that others could not OR should not follow.

for those who keep saying go race and do a trackday blah blah blah. these guys have done that already. the weekends for them represent family time. it’s a lifestyle most of you could never understand.

on the other hand…the younger members of the group have gone on to race since 2007 if i’m correct. three went in together, one dropped out..wasn’t for him. the other two went on to become very successful club racers. and they have since not gone back to ride with skank and company at night.

and for the disbelievers of the speed…what can i say? you will always find some false fault in the video. fucking dorks…

oh yeh to the guy that says anyone can twist the throttle wide open blah blah blah. i dare you to try it on your bike and film it. don’t forget to cut to the shit stain in your suit after you back off at 150mph.

if what we did wasn’t the least bit cool…we wouldn’t be having this discussion on HELLFORLEATHERMAGAZINE.COM!
now…good night ladies…
- Max
  
  What a tool. The reason these guys avoid track days is because their egos couldn’t handle them being passed in the corners by SV650′s, by guys who KNOW how to really ride.
  
  If they can’t look like ‘bad-asses’ doing something, they won’t do it. What tools.

Hogster

I did the same thing on my Harley only I could only go 92 mph.

pauljones

You, sir, have a stellar sense of humor. That got a good laugh out of me. My little Suzuki won’t go much faster than 90, either.
- matrempit
  
  It’s not what you ride, its how you ride it.

Rooster

The most irresponsible piece of journalism I’ve ever read. By a long shot!

If these guys had one ounce of skill they’d take it to the track and prove it. Instead like so many other douche bags, they ply their pseudo skills on the road.

Going fast on public roads is for pussies who can’t hang on the track. I’ve seen them a thousand times. They’re pussies who can’t hang and go out to seek a smaller pond where they can be a big fish.

Certainly nothing worthy of an article that proclaims them to be New York’s fastest. Perhaps this article will rid the streets of some more idiots with a death wish. I’m sure you’ll be proud to see your article being read at the funeral of some junior douche bag who wants to knock the king off the pedestal you’ve built for him.

Let’s just hope they don’t take some innocent family along on the trip with them.

Now that would be sad.

Jimboz

@Rooster
“The most irresponsible piece of journalism I’ve ever read. By a long shot!”

Get out more. They didn’t lie about anything or glorify the riders. Hell, they barely wrote anything at all. If transparency is “irresponsible journalism” then I’d prefer it if more media outlets were irresponsible.

Dumb shit like this happens. People like this exist. They reported on it in a unique way that did a fair job of excluding bias.

http://www.righttoride.co.uk Elaine

The result of these type of videos is that research institutes are now developing a force feedback throttle control to restrict speed on bikes. A project called SAFERIDER is developing this. This is funded by the EU Commission, so it won’t take much imagination to expect that the next step will be proposals for legislation.

It’s morons like these that will screw it up for the rest of us.

K2theM

@Elaine

Wonderful. I looked it up. SAFERIDER EU Basically it’s a HUD type of system that tells the rider what s/he should already know/ be observing. Who thought up this lame concept. If it’s anything we’ve learned is that automation makes for worse drivers than better ones. Look at automatic cars and texting. Driving is so easy now that you don’t even have to be watching the road, let alone touch the controls 100% of the time to navigate. So now we have a heard of drivers leaning on secondary tech alerts to tell them if they are approaching danger or not.

That’s the last thing we need on a motorcycle. Something that requires the Rider to pay attention less…

/rant resume normal debate.
Al

That “force feedback” throttle and legislation can go in the same cardboard box my charcoal emissions canister and legislation went into in that dark corner of the garage.

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These guys are irresponsible, foolish, dangerous, criminal… basically everything we glorify about the legendary cafe racers of old. The only difference is the bikes are faster and (IMHO) uglier, and we’ve got immediate, p-o-v proof on YouTube instead of tales and yarns.

I want to hate these guys, but I can’t. Not when I’m full-on in love with the cafe culture.

HammSammich

Firstly, these gentlemen certainly didn’t garner any of my respect with the way the presented themselves, but I suppose they don’t really care what I think. I do agree to a certain extent that speed limits are generally ridiculously slow, and I think most of us know that speed limits have less to do with road safety than they do with revenue. On the other hand, I think there must be a middle ground somewhere between commuting in shorts and a puddin’ bowl, and essentially riding at the limit of what a modern race bike can do, on public roads, at night. There are those of us, who enjoy “spirited” riding, when the conditions are appropriate, and are willing to put ourselves at odds with Johnny Law for the thrill of enjoying our bikes. But I’m not talking about breaking the ton on twisty roads, I’m talking about 30mph over in tight technical twisties…and always leaving a little in reserve for the unexpected (as dad used to say, “Stuff happens…and it’s usually sh!t.” They can claim to be leaving their ego’s at home, but I find their anti-track day bravado to be quite telling. Hell, if they really are that good, and they want to race for money, why not become professional racers?

Pete

So much drama…

What amazes me is the diversity of the motorcycle community as reflected in the comments. All kinds of people buy bikes and all who do are passionate about them. These guys are passionate, albeit not very eloquent, about what they do on their bikes, just like everyone else who commented here.

How was that for a philosophical rant?!?

Rich

Perhaps, as a foolish teen I thought of being like this – actually, no. Fear of dying exists for a reason – to keep you alive. What they’re doing is incredibly stupid. They have become acclimatized to riding fast on public roads and are undoubtedly adrenalin addicts.

As to journalistic ethics, I only wish Wes had thought twice about romanticizing them by writing, “They’re your husbands, your brothers, your neighbors, your’re friends.” No, no they’re not – I have neither relatives nor friends who are ex-mobsters or ride so foolishly. And the last line of the intro, “Every time you see a speed limit sign they’re secretly who you wish you could be.” Again, nope.

To print their words is fine – to paint them as some sort of heroic, disciples of speed is not only ridiculous – it says as much about the author as it does about them.

Ross

250 lbs man on a zuma 125 made me laugh.

Ben

I understand a lot of people here don’t like the idea of what these guys are getting up to. But how is this irresponsible journalism or a glorification of this lifestyle?

It’s an interview and these guys are telling it in their own words.

Shedding light on a controversial corner of reality and of moto culture is Good, Compelling and true journalism. Anyone read “Hell’s Angels”?

You can be mad that people are riding so fast and irresponsibly that they are putting themselves and others at risk. But don’t be mad at HfL for pointing out that it exists, saying that the culture has an allure to some, tracking these dudes down and letting them speak for themselves.

Rich

I for one have no problem with posting the interview – as I said. But – in my opinion – Wes romanticizes these guys in his intro. That’s the only problem I have.

http://www.flickr.com/blueyes tony starr

is it just me or does Supermoto Retard remind you a little of Johnny the Boy from Mad Max?

WoosterSauce

One time, I did 32 in a 20 on my Puch. True story.

Am I cool yet?

MotoGuy

Wow. And I thought they were idiots before I read the article. Unreal. It’s one thing to kill yourself by doing something stupid. But it’s a whole ‘nother thing to kill someone else. Here’s hoping they only off themselves.

Sloan

I’d be curious to hear how many animals they see. You’d hit a deer, skunk, raccoon, etc trying it down here in Texas.

Max

Both morons. Keep the huge speed for the track – maybe they don’t because they would get their asses handed to them by the regulars.

Everyone loves to speed on public roads, but if it’s not kept reasonable and relatively safe (as in where no cars are around and the roads are wide open), the lawmakers will limit EVERYONE’S fun, because of selfish morons like these dicks. It’s the 5% that are lame squids that ruin it and create the bad reps for the 95% of other sportbike riders. I speed all the time on my sportbikes, but I offend no one, and endanger no one, so no one would care to stop me. I don’t speed everywhere, not caring what damage is being done – I care too much about motorcycling in general and others as well to be such a selfish dick.

I bet these tools look like the ‘jersey shore’ asswipes. “It’s all about them”. What a worthless attitude. The world would be better off without them.

monkeyfumi

If they are so fast on real roads, and trackdays are for “homos” then why don’t they prove how good they really are by going to the Isle of Man?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/christophercullen/sets/72157622530167071/ CMC

My thought precisely.

bill

Any retard could go 190mph on an S1000RR.

Brag away, girls in the ‘A’ group from Sportbike Track Time are yawning at you ‘bad-asses’.

1 Arm Bandit

I can only say one thing all off you fuckers are litle biatches. leme put my balls on your chin’s.
- bill
  
  A perfectly predictable response from ‘the situation’.
  
  Massive Tools.
supermotoretard

Any retard could go 190mph on an S1000RR.

Brag away, girls in the ‘A’ group from Sportbike Track Time are yawning at you ‘bad-asses’.
bill | August 2, 2010 11:09 PM | Reply

above is the quote…
hey bill…sportbiketracktime is yawning..
funny i rode with you in your so called A class on my supermoto..and you asked me to teach you how to go fast…now tht’s funny.. had agreat time with you tho…have a niceday pop

Richard Gozinya

Eh, what they do doesn’t really bother me much. The only people they hurt is themselves, and they seem to enjoy it. What bothers me is the whole, “If you’re not trying to go as fast as possible stop riding.” Mentality. Just like the Harley guys who tell others to get a real bike, or whatever other Us vs. Them mentality you want to go with, it’s bullshit.

Someone wants to ride because they want to go bar hopping and picking up women, fine, enjoy yourself. Want to go canyon carving, great, enjoy yourself. Long trips, track days, whatever floats your boat. In the end, we all do whatever we do because that’s what makes us happy.

Slowrider

Werd. While I can see the allure in it, self preservation overrides. But I almost completely disagree with the hate everyone else spreads tho. I like many of you have a tight lil nitch of riders that dont do anything near as crazy as these guys, but like said above enjoy our “spirited” rides when the conditions apply. There is no difference between us and them. Period. doing 95-100 on a back road you know well thats marked at 55-65 is the same as these guys doing 185 on 75 they have ridden a hundred times. One mistake either of you could die easily, they are both breaking the law and in most states 100 in a 50 is the same ticket as 185 in 75. Either way, do what makes you happy.

Mitch

It must be hard for them to ride at all with their heads that far up their own arses.

G13

Damn, I think i just got 100% of my daily allowance of self-righteous indignation while reading through these comments. I would bet there are people just wishing there was a print version of HFL so they could threaten to unsubscribe.

I love that we get these sorts of pieces that show some, perhaps ugly at times, faces on the edge of the world of bikers. These guys are what they are. I don’t think anyone is trying to sell them as role models. I do have a hard time distinguishing between what are true deeds and what is just bravado. I’m not sure how you get that sorted out without trying to roll with them and yet still keeping your skull intact.

Liquidogged

You took them out for drinks? Get all the way to third base afterwards? Not my kinda thing, but that might’ve made for a better read.

I got really pissed when I saw that video, but this was pretty anticlimactic. No interesting questions, no hard-hitting investigation of what’s actually happening on the streets. Just a few guys putting a lot of other people down and justifying their dangerous, selfish actions. I suspect they know, deep down, that what they’re doing isn’t the right thing, or else they wouldn’t spend so much of the interview defending themselves. They’re basically overweight loudmouth man-children addicted to feeling tough. Fine, but if I want to watch fat kids with personal problems the TV is right over there.

The whole thing is actually kind of boring. All efforts to make them seem badass, heroic, or even interesting, wind up falling flat. The article isn’t a horrible piece of evil toxic journalism. It’s just kind of lame. Even the pictures suck. Ugh.

shinigami

Well, Wes and Grant certainly got what they wanted with this.

What’s next, rolling with thrill seeker liquor store holdup Harley riders with Born to Lose tattoos on their chests?

Basset

feature critique:
glad to read this post. i am interested in all aspects of motorcycling and kudos to Wes and Grant for giving us a peek at these riders, but that is all this, a peek. i think there is sensationalism at the beginning but hopefully it is just to get people to read further and not because Wes and Grant really believe that people wish they were these guys. Wes and Grant probably chose the quotes they did because they are the most revealing ones about these riders, but i am sure we all would have liked to read more objective reporting on the forces that shaped these guys and the reality of what they do, not just their primitive bravado. i am also concerned that if these guys really are as nasty as they describe themselves that they probably put physically threatening conditions on what Wes and Grant could say about them and i hope Wes and Grant were not trying to impress them or something.

other thoughts:
the description of the “one Armed Bandit” reminded me of Matt “The Condor” Hoffman who also seriously injured his arm and has lasting loss of functionality. Hoffman is a vert BMX rider who did things that no one thought possible. he did things that others were simply afraid to do. he pushed and revolutionized the sport beyond what most anyone imagined. he did all of these things while being a decent guy, not endangering other people, and attracting people to his sport. in other words, i would like to see these guys bring their skill into the light where we can all watch and learn.

http://www.desmoworks.com Anthony Creek

Sounds like these guys should teach Hayden a thing or two so he can get back on the box. [roll eyes emoticon here]

Cajun

If these guys had any balls they would get on a track and show how fast they are otherwise they need to shut up and STOP RIDING. Find another way to scare yourselves because you don’t give a damn about my sport.

waynze

interesting article

at least they do it when its quiet, can understand doing this once or twice , but regularly ?? , and it sounds like the one arm dude is perhaps over 25 , which means they should know better not to do this shit

guess who

wait a minute ….. the guy did it on a BMW .. the totally inferior machine dwarfed by the mighty aprila. Is it even worth the time to talk with such people??

richmeyer

These guys are soooooo well spoken. If they didnt sound like such douchebags it would have been an interesting feature. It would have been even better if they had personality. But I guess if you are from NYC you need to be gritty and edgy. My question is, why do they do it? Whats the point? If they end up as a grease spot on some freeway, no one will really care, it will make the 11pm news and thats it. I guess I’ll stay at the track with the rest of the homos.

Scott

are these the same guys that ere stealing bikes a couple years ago?

Bryan_ZA

I speed even if it’s 70km/h in a 60 zone. Most riders on bikes that can, do, I’d call you a liar if you told me you never have, so stop judging them as selfish criminals. I dunno bout out there in the states but lane-splitting is illegal here but 99% of bikes still do it, we’re generally more free and open to breaking the law whether it’s a little or a lot.

They’re dumb, and if they offed themselves I’d be laughing but it’s their own perogative. I think they’re fools and I agree that hopefully it’ll just be themselves they remove from the population.

PS – I’ve yet to get on anything bigger/faster than an old SR500 but it’s coming and I do dream whistfully of finding some quiet roads to open it up, not quite that fast, but I think we can all relate to wanting a bigger/faster bike, and pushing it more than we are, whther faster or just smoother and maybe that’s what the intro was getting at.

Travis

Interesting article. Before HellForLeather I had never heard of New York’s Fastest. I have respect for anyone that can ride a bike near its limits and do it safely. Of course, and I think these gentlemen would agree, that what they are doing is not safe. Its selfish.

I used to ride up in the canyons during the day, and race other bikes. I was one of the fastest guys up there. There were only one or two guys that were faster than me. I had been doing this for 4 or 5 years so I had raced a lot. Then I crashed. After that I decided to take it to the track. That was one of the best decisions I have ever made.

I quickly found out I was not nearly as fast as I thought I was. I had not even tapped into 1/2 of the potential of my bike. The road surface in the canyons prohibits the bike from reaching that potential. The animals. The other cars. The cops. The low visibility. You simply cannot push a bike as hard on the street as you can on the track.

I know I wont get through to “New York’s Fastest” and crew… but to anyone else who thinks they are fast on the street, do a track day or two and you will see where the real riders play.

Have your fun guys. One day your priorities will change and you will look back and think…

‘wow I don’t know how we ever lived through all that’

Or you’ll be dead. Its pretty simple.

Keep the shiny side up!

billg

I’m confused, they state that unless you are going to ride a bike like them, you don’t belong on a bike. Ok, so let’s say we listen to them and not buy those bikes. Since no one is as fast as them, that reduces the sale of superbikes to umm 3 bikes in the US. Doing track days is for pussies? I get the feeling that it’s another case of small penis large bike syndrome. I think they need more publicity, that way the local police will make them “most wanted” and send them on another vacation. Someone will always be shooting for the fastest. Those who do it long enough will eventually crash. You wonder why some state now confiscate bikes for excessive speed? There’s your answer. Then again if a one armed retard can ride this fast, maybe I can too! As far as secrecy, how hard would it be to find out who a person is who was in the hospital with an arm injury that kept him there for two months and multiple surgeries? I would think the one armed retard should have kept quiet about that episode.

Overall, it’s good to see a story like this written. You take from it what you want. I don’t think they add anything of worth to the riding community. Why are they not racing Isle of Man or is that for pussies too?!?!

Spike

Any idiot can go fast in a straight line. I don’t see anything interesting in that.

These guys would get killed on racetrack or a mountain road by any capable rider with a 600.

I bet they don’t even get their knee down.

http://www.postpixel.com.au Mugget

VERY GOOD! I want to congratulate you on this article. Not something you see talked about very often at all. Probably because it invariably rubs people up the wrong way as proven by the comments thus far…

When “that video” was posted here, I first dismissed it. Then I came back and watched a little bit of the video and dismissed those responsible as “crazy guys”. But reading the article they are not the sort of people that I would have expected to be doing this kind of thing. This article actually increased my respect for them. Now strangely I find that I have much more in common with these people that I initially dismissed, than I do with someone speeding through traffic wearing flip flops and a designer t-shirt using their motorcycle as a social tool.

To all the people saying “shame on you for glorifying these people” – really? What I see is New York’s Fastest saying what’s on their mind. Do you want a disclaimer on the end? “Speeding is bad, mmmkay?”

And going fast on public roads is for pussies that can’t hang on the track? HAHAHA! Actually I know the sort of people that you are talking about, but these guys aren’t just going fast – they are the fastest. Track riding is something completely different to sustained high speed running. And why would you pay money to ride at a place where you don’t get near that kinda speed, when you can do it on the road and win money? Taking your number plate off, putting on slicks and going hell for leather at the quietest time on he road… you cannot (legally) use your 180 horsepower bike any other way on the road, so it is almost… logical.

To the people who think that these people are the ones putting others in danger – how about the other road users who don’t look before turning, are preoccupied with what’s happening in their own car and are generally inattentive when on the road? Myself – I’ve had many more close calls from this sort of behavior than nearly being taken out by some guy on a sportsbike doing 200Mph at 2am in the morning.

And they will ruin sportsbikes for the rest of us? You’re worried about being speed limited and not being able to use the performance of your 180 horsepower sportsbike? NEWS FLASH – the only people using these bikes to their performance on public roads are these underground racers!

I could go on… but instead of being mad at these guys, how about getting mad at the soccer mom who nearly knocked you off your bike and killed you that time? Or tell me about the time that an underground racer put you in danger at 2am in the morning? I’m all ears.

billg

Umkay, did you miss the part where they don’t believe you have the right to ride something with that much power and they do? They basically call everyone else but themselves pussies. Is that ok with you too? You can’t be them, they wont let you in the club, or to quote them on someone that wanted to hang out with them, “Come around here once more and I’ll break your face”. I could give a rats ass if they are the fastest, my problem is they don’t represent themselves, biking or outsiders who own similar bikes as even fellow riders. Sort of like Neanderthals on Two Wheels. If I’m out riding and someone who I don’t know is having trouble, I will do what I can to help. Doesn’t matter what brand bike. These guys seem to hold anyone but themselves as gutter shit, so why would I give them “respect” or “props”. I only hope when they have their “epic” crash, they don’t end up killing an innocent bystander.
- stopthehate
  
  Bill, youre another tool bag. Read the interview a little better. I believe he was talking about morons like yourselfs that think theyre good riders and try pulling a stupid stunt and risking someone elses life. From what I was reading it sounded like if you want to ride with them you have to follow their rules. These guy have been riding together for years, Im sure they know what each other is thinking and their next move. Now some new want-to-be-fast guy rolls up and wants to ride with them and tries to pulls some stupid move killing one of them, yeah, I can see where the breaking of the face comes into play. But Im sure a hardcore motorclist like yourself doesnt have to worry about that. And Im pretty sure most of you posting comments dont even own or ride a bike.
  - billg
    
    Well you can try to poke at what you think I am or what I own, but you’re pissing in the wind. Unlike yourself and those morons I have nothing to prove. The fact that I do not believe they provide anything for the advancement of motorcycling or mankind for the matter, is not a reason to question my standing. I am not the subject. They are. They put themselves out there. It’s their perspective of how they see things and act in public that is at odds. If they were given an empty road and no one else was on it, I would say “go for it”, but that is not the case. They can’t control the situation if someone in an SUV has a knee jerk reaction and changes lanes after being passed by bike one and two, only to have bike number three plow into the back of the SUV with a family in it. That is what most of us are concerned with. When HFL gives them a soap box and allows for comments, it levels the playing field. You can believe what you want as others can also. Your attempts to put people down only puts you into a position of people giving your opinion less weight. State your case, but don’t claim to peg anyone as being something you have no clue about. I still think if they want to do IOM, and set up a PayPal account, I will donate. I would rather see them doing some worthwhile riding instead of protecting the donut shop and gas station they claim as turf.
- http://www.postpixel.com.au Mugget
  
  that is fine by me if they think that I shouldn’t have the right to ride a 1000cc sportsbike. they can call everyone else, me included, a pussy. I’ll be the first person to admit that I’m not fast (I’m still working on it.)
  
  what I cannot understand is why so many people are mad at them. the other thing is why so many keep saying that they’re putting innocent people at risk, as if they’re holding a loaded gun to someones head.
  
  and I see alot of mention to situations where these guys could kill someone, alot of stories to try and bring accross the point. but I am not interested in stories.
  
  I am interested in facts. and like I said above, I am all ears if anyone wants to fill me in on how anyone doing high speed runs at 2am has killed another road user? yet no one has been able to…
  
  I don’t want to hear stories of “they could” or “they might”… if that’s how you want to argue this, then maybe you should give up riding because “you might” have a car pull out in front of you or another vehicle “could” t-bone you and kill you.
  
  by the way if it was possible for there to be a followup interview/feature on HFL I would be very interested to see that. Hell’s Angels was a real eye opener, this underground racing culture is very intriguing to say the least. previously I had thought that people who did that were just “crazy” young guys who didn’t know better. but it turns out they’re actually fast guys who know a thing or two and go out with their bikes all setup, running slicks.
  - GeddyT
    
    Here you go Mugget. Not all motorcycles, not all at night, but it’s also a very incomplete list. I would guess most street racing incidents get classified as something other than. “Lost control at high speed” or something like that.
    
    As for these guys riding for 15 years or whatever like this without killing anyone, here’s a question: What happened to this toolbox’s arm? Oh, that’s right, he crashed that one time. Where did his bike go after that crash? Did it just happen to land in a field of pillows that just happened to be there? Or did it carry on and destroy a guardrail or fence or something else that taxpayers had to pay to repair? That it DIDN’T come to a stop in the center of someone’s vehicle is just a matter of luck. It didn’t happen because it didn’t, not because it couldn’t.
    
    Who paid for this guy’s surgeries? For his lengthy hospital stay?
    
    And the kid they brag about getting killed in a race? Did his bike just vaporize after he came off of it? Or did his bike careen on at 150mph and cannonball through a whole bunch of public or private property?
    
    What about the guy above who missed the interview (but is still super cool, because he totally rides with these awesome guys) because he was at his buddy’s funeral who died from crashing at high triple digit speed? Another victimless crime? What happened to the bike after the crash?
    
    What COULD have happened to the bike after the crash?
    
    It’s not a matter of whether or not these few specific squids have killed anyone yet. It’s about whether or not they’ve created opportunities. Every time they’ve been out of control of their machines, that’s a BIG opportunity. In this one article and the comments below I’ve read of three such instances.
    
    I agree that it’s not right to hope these guys crash and die. I would, though, like to see them develop some respect for their community and fellow man and figure out a less selfish way to get their thrill.
  - Max
    
    …And a completely lame, low-IQ response. Just sad.

baddad

Great article, the other side of adrenalin culture.

Tomas

I don’t get why all the people are raged. I, for me, quite like these guys.

I’m from the “pickup girls” camp, anyway, so I don’t feel threatened by they being fastest than me, I assume and respect that, no ego issue. That’s why I don’t ride a S1000RR.

But man, don’t ever let them pick girls in my neighbourhood. That’s where problems would begin!!!

http://twitter.com/beastincarnate Beast Incarnate

Great article, guys. The guys represent themselves considerably better offline than online, and this gave a greater perspective.

It’s easy to say, “These guys are irresponsible morons” when all you know is that they’ve got videos going close to 200mph on public roads. It’s another thing altogether to see how and why they go about what they do.

Kowalski

Darwinism. Give it time, it’ll kick in.

My ’68 Triumph is good for about 90 but if I hold it there more than a few seconds the vibration will make the headlight fall off. I don’t go over 55. Then again, the bike and I have survived 42 years of riding so far. Maybe it’s onto something.

Scott

Way-cool article/glimpse at our moto-brothers; good-work!
Comments pleading for conformity seem out-of-place.

Alex

Love the article. Sure, it may give some of us a decrease in public respect, but these people are out there, and I enjoy reading about them. It’s cool that you’re giving an outlet to folks that the mainstream rags wouldn’t. That said, I don’t have much respect for these guys. I’ve done the 150+ trips on the interstate and highways…when I was 18 and didn’t know any better. I realize now that it was stupid. I also got on the track and found that to be more exciting. I guess if you like it, go do it. It’s just boring to me.

As for the idea of them claiming to be faster than anyone at a track day, that screams of BS. It’s like everyone hanging around your local bike shop that “used to race” or has a “cousin that races”. Sure you do. Yeah, I know, you used to box. Yeah, you were the best baseball player in your hometown and should have been in the majors. I bet. If you’re really that fast and have that much talent, quit your job at UPS and go make some money at it. If you’re really that good, someone will PAY you to ride at those speeds, in the DAYLIGHT on a closed TRACK. Until one of these guys submits some video of themselves on a track, the comments about being fast on the track will get a big roll of the eyes from me. Anyone can twist the throttle on a freeway.

GeddyT

Does it surprise anyone that these three guys come off like they’ve got about a third grade education? And Mugget–you’re the most recent comment, so you’re going to get picked on–you’re not coming off much better. You clearly have no comprehension of logic, which is why you would first state that these kinds of riders are incredibly rare, and then attempt to prove the lack of danger of their actions by pointing out the rarity of the damage they inflict.

Here’s a reality check: there are over 250 million cars registered in the U.S. Meaning a fair estimate would be that for every ONE of these assholes out on the street at 2am being jagoffs, there are a million cars, trucks, SUVs, etc. out there with texting teens, distracted soccer moms, whatever. Comparing the number of incidents caused by one group to the other without applying an AWFULLY big handicap is downright insane. And here we have, in just this one article, just ONE of these guys describing two incidents he was involved in that could have been deadly to an innocent motorist. In one incident he only damaged his own arm. In another incident his opponent only managed to kill himself. 450 lb. motorcycles traveling at over 100mph make a hell of a projectile when separated from the rider. What that bike hits doesn’t tend to fare too well.
To answer your call for people who have been put in danger by underground racers at 2:00am, you need look no further than every single car that they pass in every single video they post. That number is far greater than zero.
Here is a better analogy than your inattentive driver comparison, because it lacks the same problem of inequities of scale:
I belong to a club of people that loves guns. We love to shoot them, we love to carry them, we love everything about them. And we’re pretty damned good shots. We could go to the range and shoot anytime we want, but we’ve been there/done that, and it’s for pussies anyway. There’s no real danger in shooting paper targets, and they’re way too close and stationary. See, we’re REALLY good shots. We can trash a moving clay pigeon from 500 yards no problem, so nothing less will do. So we only shoot in the real world. In public. We set up targets across college campuses and shoot between all of the buildings and totally destroy that shit! But we’re not irresponsible, you know. We’re not like those fucking terrorists wearing towels and shooting up crowds in broad daylight, you know. Those guys are pussies. We’re responsible and don’t want anyone to die and just really like shooting, so we only do it late at night. You know, not nearly so many students walking through campus. The few students out and about, sure, they hear bullets whizzing by their ears within inches and it freaks them out, but I don’t think that gives all gun owners a bad name because they understand that we’re just the truly hardcore. They just think we’re a couple of crazy guys.

It all works out fine and we have a kickass time. Until that random student out late at night walks around the wrong corner at the wrong time. Or that guy on his way home from a long business trip notices he’s about to miss his exit and changes lanes at the wrong time…

At 180mph you are traveling nearly an entire football field every second. On top of that, your turning radius becomes QUITE large before knees and hard parts are on the ground. Compounding the problem is the incredible gyroscopic forces that have to be overcome to even initiate the turn. The average human reacts to a sensory input in about .3 seconds (or so we were taught in driving school). Say these guys are fucking Neo from the Matrix. Say they can go from danger ahead to steering input in one tenth of a second. Even in this fantasy bullet time scenario, when the driver in the lane over unexpectedly changes lanes into theirs, they will travel nearly 30 feet before they even start to do anything. The boat-like steering input at that speed will then make matters worse, as the bike travels another 30 to 60 feet before anything even happens. BAM. They just killed that driver and their self.

So, yes, they are seriously putting other motorists at risk. And, yes, there are “degrees” to safety; 20mph over, but still at a point where the bike can be easily steered is MUCH better than 100mph over and riding a missile that you have to forcibly yank towards the ground to initiate steering.

As to what Adeysworld crapped onto his keyboard a few posts up, you’re sort of proving correct the above posters that complain about these overblown squids getting ink time. You start your post with, “I was supposed to be there for the interview” like you’re desperate for the attention. Then you conclude with, “If what we did wasn’t cool, we wouldn’t be having this discussion on FHL.”

Exactly. Did you read that Wes? Grant? It’s not just a theory that giving these douchebags exposure will glorify what they do; Adeysworld just wrote you some proof. HFL = cool, NYC really fast squids in HFL, NYC really fast squids = cool. Modal logic.

I suppose it could still be possible that this is all just a big joke. Here are three Jersey Shore type douchebags that think they’re about the toughest shit on the planet. Wes and Grant let them have their say because they know that it will come out so stupid that it’ll be funny as hell. And it really is that stupid. And they really do think they’re so awesome while most of the people reading are aghast at how stupid they are. And this is totally funny to Grant and Wes, who are in the background chuckling. If this is the case, you got me! Good one!

But the intro to the article tells me this is probably otherwise. He gets a beer with these awesome guys. They’re just regular people. Really! And you want to be them. Now read on as they come across like total junior high retards for the next two pages…

Here’s the deal: I know a lot of “good storytellers.” You have to just give them a little room for gross exaggeration. These guys are a lot like that. The holes in his story are plentiful. He was going 145 through a 35mph turn? Sure… His arm was hanging by an inch of skin, but his boys took him to the hospital? What, on the back of one of their bikes? Or did they ride home, get a car, drive back, then take him to the hospital? Meanwhile he would bleed out and die? Or did they call an ambulance? Or was it just not that bad?… In the meantime, here’s this guy that the police would surely want to lock up, but he’s probably the only guy in NY that both owns a BMW S1000RR and had a grievous arm injury that required a two month hospital stay? I mean, that sounds like a pretty cakewalk job for the local P.D. if you ask me. Vehicle registration records search + hospital records search (there would surely be an accident report attached to that…) + search warrant for computer with YouTube account? Done. So what gives?

Lastly, leather suits don’t do shit when you hit a telephone pole at 100+mph. Might as well be in those shorts and flip flops and half dome helmet in that situation. And “regular guys” don’t need to brag about how tough they are. Regular guys don’t feel the need to point out they were in the mob like it’s something that would bring them respect. Regular guys would be embarrassed about their prison time, not bring it up without provocation. And “family men” that don’t do track days on weekends because that’s “family time” also don’t give a shit about their families if their out there placing extreme risks on their lives and likely orphaning their kids and widowing their wives. And if they DID care, and they WERE that “fast,” they’d be racing professionally and supporting that family. Or do these guys already make millions of dollars per year?…

lovethesport

Really, listen to yourselfs. Youre a bunch of wash women typing your page long speaches on all the wrongs these guys do and others giving grammer lessons. Really, how fucking sad are all of you? Heres my take on all your drama..NYC Fastest has been doing this for years and Im sure they will continue to do so. So why all the negative talk? Im sure they can handle their own on a race track. If they got the skill and balls to do what they do Im sure the track would be fun and a joke to them. I sent them a message on the YouTube asking them what tracks they have raced on and lap times, I was pretty impressed with the answers. And I give Wes and Grant plenty of respect for putting something like this on the site. As for the IOM TT? Im sure these guy would jump on the oppertunity to take part in that and yes I asked them, from what I was told its not cheap. Anyone want to sponcer a fast American?
- billg
  
  If they think they can do IOM TT but instead spend their precious time protecting turf, it seems they are wasting away one day at a time. Life is short and they can talk all they want, but if they want to run with the big boys, then they should start saving. Everyone knows how mad fast IOM is. I see no reason why they can’t do it and not make excuses. They can prep the bike, they can ride, they just need to crate it, ship it, and ride with the true fastest street racers, then skip the winners circle interview where they call everyone a pussy, just grab the check and head home to the ticker tape parade! Seriously, if you could ride as well as they do, wouldnt that be on your mind 24/7? Unless all they care about is protecting the turf until they become has beens.
- HootieWho
  
  I love listening to “myselfs”…RETARD!
http://www.postpixel.com.au Mugget

You really think those guys are putting people in danger every time they ride, don’t you? Nice story about the guns, but there is a big difference between something that can actually hurt someone, and something that ‘might’ hurt someone. Obviously these guys have been doing their 2am runs for years, and they haven’t hurt anyone (except themselves). You could say “that’s irresponsible you could have killed someone!” but that’s the point – they don’t kill innocent bystanders! There is a reason for everything that they do, it seems to me like you and alot of others are grossly underestimating these people and their actions.

Don’t you get the point already? Stop making comparisons to track riding and MotoGP. Sustained high speed runs cannot be compared to riding on a track, or anything that MotoGP riders do on a weekly basis. Rossi himself has said that he would never ride at the Isle of Man. It’s a completely different type of riding. And if you don’t want to take my word for it, then fine. But you should listen to Rossi.
mofoninja

Amen man. Best retort ever.
Max

Fantastic response. Sadly, it won’t get through to those selfish lowlifes anyway. Cuz they’z BAD AZZ!! Ugh, please…
ltgesq

thanks, nailed it.

Trojanhorse

Both the sentiments expressed in this feature and the very reasons for posting it smack of one thing…desperation. It’s sad that HFL has devolved into this, because a long time ago I felt like it had potential to be really good, even great. Too bad that thin-skinned pretentiousness, hypocrisy, and a taste for sensationalism seem to have taken over.

PeteP

I’ve changed my mind about these guys. I was a hater, now I just accept them as part of the broad spectrum of motorcyclists.

Not condone, accept.

Freddie

So do you also accept pedophiles and rapist as part of the broad range of sexual enthusiasts as well?

I give Grant and Wes a pass on the “journalistic integrity” and “irresponsible” and “glorification” rant many of you are going on.

When Charlie Manson or (insert serial killer name) were interviewed it was no different. These douchers still get overwhelming condemnation from us (except for a few dumb asses). Exposing these tools and letting them speak freely, reinforces how lame they are.

Do you want be like these retards after reading this? If the answer is no, how are they being glorified? More like exposed if you ask me.

http://www.americadelivered.com Nick Goddard

Well, they love the street, and hate the track. What would they think of the TT or the NW200? I think we all know the answer.

That being said, I appreciate what they’re trying to do. These aren’t great roads we have here in NY. In fact, the only way the highways can be interesting is if you are going 160+. But the only way you can go 160 is at night (not entirely true, I know, but come on, riding at night like that? I am pretty liberal but I don’t think it’s a great idea). The trouble is, as soon as you admit taht anything can be gained from teh track, then you have to admit that very little can be gained from the street (at least the way we think of the street in modern terms, with modern cops and rules–in the USA).

So you have to convince yourself to be extra down on track-days in order to justify riding like this on the street, I reckon.

http://www.americadelivered.com nick

Although I’d have to say I’d think it was pretty lame if there was nobody out there like this. Every time I see a guy cruising around on an R1 in flip-flops, I like to imagine his complement out there somewhere, pinning it across a bridge somewhere in Texas.

Freddie

The only fault I have with the article is the evident BONER that Wes and Grant have for these guys.

Emmet

My initial reaction was “these guys are douchebags who jack off to their reflection.” I watched their videos on youtube and was impressed with their riding. Even though what they are doing is really dangerous, I wouldn’t put it above the countless JOL drivers, texting teens, distracted soccer moms, and ignorant cage drivers that “own” the road.

They’ve proven that they’re not squids looking for a quick fix- they’re dressed in full leathers and ride bikes prepped for the 180+ speeds.

They don’t do a good job explaining their motivation for riding like that- calling themselves ‘NY’s fastest’ sounds narcissistic and trivial. And their ‘trackdays are for homos’ attitude is the same. Maybe riding that fast on the highways shows a level of courage above track riders, but they seem to be preaching that what they’re doing is more noble. Dumbasses inhabit both the track and street, but do you have to think twice to consider which environment is safer to go fast on? Which allows a rider to better learn their limits of riding? These guys can keep believing they’re the shit for what they do, but they should keep it to themselves. Any dumbass can risk their life and the lives of others on the street, but I’m sure there’s plenty of racers that could whoop their asses on the track.

Richard Gozinya

Ok, got to say, I’m starting to really like this article. The responses provoked by this interview are great. It’s like the primitive portions of every guy’s brain is suddenly feeling threatened over potential competition for mates.

If your manhood is that easily threatened, never hang out with EOD techs.

http://www.thisblueheaven.com Mark D.

Haters gonna hate
Freddie

So any condemnation to illegal high speed risk taking must mean the person with the objection MUST have something wrong with them, not the other way around.

RachelS

Glorification of idiots gets us the Jersey Shore, OCC, and Rock of Love. Grant and Wes if you are responsible for yet another retard becoming a celebrity, may Karma never forgive you!!!!

W

And every season of the Jerry Springer show…..

AK

Great article Wes & Grant.

Look at all those comments (I read them all) from concerning folks looking out for other people’s well being without even knowing them.

Regardless of what you think the reason is that you started riding a motorcycle (dirt or street), these guys epitomize it.

It’s for the thrill of it all; disruption of the normal. Some like a track, some like wide open public roads…but we all like motorcycles.

I have yet to watch the video.

vic

so uhmm..why not go compete in a drag race on a track?

http://www.ninja250blog.com Mark Ryan Sallee

Fun read. I wouldn’t do what they do, don’t want to outside of video games, but I’m not them. Intriguing to read their voice, though I think the story would benefit from more editorial insight. But then I’m a big fan of editorial.

P.S. The format of this article is a pain in the butt. Keep trying new stuff, but the web should be vertical. Always.

Michael

I really don’t have time to put up a large, and well written post like GeddyT.

When I first read the article, the more reptilian part of my brain thought that what these guys were doing was fine. Frankly, part of me still agrees whole-heartedly with Skank, Supermoto Retard (points to him for riding supermoto, BTW), and the One Armed Bandit on certain aspects of their chosen style of riding. Ideas such as if you’re going to do crazy speed, do it at night when there are less people out and about. That notwithstanding, these guys are in NYC. Is the road ever empty? Not so much. I have also been to NYC – on bike and in car – enough times to know that the roads are utter fucking crap. You’d think the same people who maintain the roads are also into wearing distressed jeans exclusively.

One of the other things I appreciate is their honesty on the matter of the type of riding they engage in. They know the danger, but I don’t think they fully appreciate it. Then again, since I have never ridden like that all I can do is considering the numbers and think of the myriad ways to die like GeddyT (rightly so) did. The trio’s acknowledgement of proper motorcycle and personal protective equipment set-up is commendable. That said, the best bike set-up in the world won’t mean shit if there is a 2”X4” in the road. In the same vein all the PPE in the world won’t help if you do a 150 mph slide into nice, soft Jersey Wall, strike barrier, or tree(s!).

Would I do that kind of riding? Eh, given the chance… maybe once or twice. I won’t be dishonest with myself on that. Blowing away the speed limits, which are too slow to begin with, would be cathartic to say the least. Would I do it on a daily basis? Fuck no. There is just too much shit to go wrong on public roads. Not the least of which are scads of people who just plain hate motorcyclists. I don’t need to give them fuel.

I also agree with the Three Stooges on the use of sport bikes. If you have all that power, use it once in a while, goddamnit! That said; all sport bikes these days are nothing more than track tools. The only reason they have lights are to be legal enough to get to and from the track. Not to be blasting around populated (regardless of degree) streets. I personally think most sport bike riders would be better served on a Victory Hammer, Rocket III Roadster, V-Rod, or M109R considering the way they ride.

The allure of opening it up on a bike is great. In some ways, it is a better release than sex. It is liberating, it is exciting, and most importantly; it one of the last great ways to give the authority the screaming middle finger. This is especially true in a time when it is harder and harder to be a man. The self imposed behavioral restrictions of men on men coupled with the capitulation of masculine values to feminine values makes it harder for guys to be guys. To get away from it all, some guys turn to video games, some turn to (ever more regulated and boring) sports, some turn to drinking themselves stupid, and some twist that right grip till the streetlights look like one long, neon streak. I can understand that. The thing is Skank & Co. take it to a place it shouldn’t go.

Jordan J.

So, should I sign the release forms at track days with my name and ‘no homo’ at the end from now on?

I am thankful you guys did the interview, just to see some of the comments posted by other readers.

Michael

BTW, Wes: Your lead-in paragraph was great.

http://damiengaudet.blogspot.com damien

I think GeddyT nailed it in the comments here.

I scare myself hitting 100 on my thruxton so I know I could never do what these guys are doing…but would I even want to? nah. I enjoy riding motorcycles too much to kill myself now.

http://damiengaudet.blogspot.com damien

oh, and the honda looks sooooo much better than the beemer!

http://Http://twitter.com/hagus Hagus

It takes balls to ride through public highway sweepers at 186 mph. Balls, but not skill. Let’s not confuse the two. The video of that Austrian guy on the R1 doing the same speeds in daylight at 100% lean angle impressed me way more. Rossi through the corkscrew on the dirt impresses me way more.

cap

exactly what GeddyT said..

http://Http://twitter.com/hagus Hagus

Aforementioned video of Austrian nutter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwcHChqcXfo

amsterdam

Yeah, what GeddyT said.

and Hey, One Arm;
My mama and me disrespect you!

and as for Skankyboy;
Don’t show your face where me and my mama
hang out!

http://papagroomez.com shaun

This spoke to me in more ways than one.

From SupermotoRetard:
“Those guys aren’t riders, those guys aren’t riding enthusiasts, they’re not real riders in my book. If you go riding in your shorts in a halfsie helmet with your little extra helmet on the back just in case you pick up a girl going from club to club, you’re using your motorcycle as a social tool. My mouth is a social tool, this glass of bourbon is a social tool.”

fairenough

If your really need that much of a thrill join the Army.

BTW maybe, before these schmucks kill someone, they might agree to a waive their rights for a trial and go straight to death row? That ought to add some adrenalin to the ride.

And they have health insurance right? If they disable themselves I don’t want to have to have to pay to have their colostomy bags changed…or to support their “families”.

Just because several psycopaths have found each other doesn’t make them anything but what they are and it doesn’t really make much of a story. Should we know they exist? Sure, but the man crush?….Really?

http://www.pinkyracer.com Pinkyracer

omfg this is a popular subject. hmmm. I want to believe them, but it’s hard. It’s much easier to brag about how fast you are when nobody’s watching. Here in California we don’t have to do this after dark when it’s so hard to see. There are highways here that are emptier at “rush hour” than any LI country road at 3AM…

ADV_DOW

@YKanks Your lack of capitialization, bad grammer, and snobby attitude make your writting look just like Addysworld, defend yourself(not that you can) with your own name. Sweepers are easy, I do them on my morning commute. Doing them at 170 is just like doing a hairpin at a lower speed.

@Mugget Sportbikes are not designed to be used to their full potential anymore than a Corvette will be on public roads. Something like 1% of all traffic is motorcycles, I am sure if there were more of us

@Emmit, They are squids! Addysworld started riding with these guys the first season he had a bike so he must have had a bike that would keep up to LEARN on!

I guess the big question here is if these guys are “big damn heroes” what did they do that is so heroic?

g

skunk is afraid of going on track because he would be exposed as a fat not very intelligent rider, anyone stupid enough can turn the throttle but to do fast laps you need to be a real all-around rider. Now the guys at the irish road racing are the ones truly admirable, thats truly the best riding on the streets, ever, those guys make this dudes look really stupid and childish.

MaddMatt

Sure buddies, You were dropping “expert lap times on your first track days.” Obviously you are gifted, even more-so than the likes of Rossi, Doohan, Ago?

While I agree that speeding is much safer at 3AM, I will say to quit watching so many Jersey Shore re-runs, and writing rap songs about yourselves.

http://greatjoballweek.blogspot.com/ Case

I don’t agree that public roads, at night, are the place for high speed runs. Putting other people at risk doesn’t prove you’re fast, it proves you’re an asshole.

Guy Martin would crush these guys on the track or on the street. Can you get an interview with him?

alex

So I’m a cop out now looking for a couple of tough guys on a red cbr and black bmw. I think everyone speeds and its all good but these two tents lack the ability to quietly go about it they want to be famous mouth pieces too, yea for morons. Go taunt the cops at 180 like ghost rider if your so nuts not act all hard for some weak ass kids. Cop beatings : new York fastest inmates – ill buy it

http://www.flickr.com/photos/christophercullen/sets/72157622530167071/ CMC

These guys seem a bit self-deluded and frankly, a little bit like losers with nothing left to lose. Why not go out in a blaze of glory? Better to burn out than rust, etc.

Take away the macho man attitude, though, and I am reminded a bit of the spirit of one of my favorite HST pieces, which is actually part of the reason I wanted to learn to ride to begin with. Pasted below for your reference:

Midnight on the Coast Highway
Hunter S. Thompson, San Francisco, 1965

“All my life my heart has sought a thing I cannot name.”

Months later, when I rarely saw the Angels, I still had the legacy of the big machine – four hundred pounds of chrome and deep red noise to take out on the coast highway and cut loose at three in the morning, when all the cops were lurking over on 101. My first crash had wrecked the bike completely and it took several months to have it rebuilt. After that I decided to ride it differently: I would stop pushing my luck on curves, always wear a helmet, and try to keep within range of the nearest speed limit … my insurance policy had been cancelled and my driver’s license was hanging by a thread.

So it was always at night, like a werewolf, that I would take the thing out for an honest run down the coast. I would start in Golden Gate Park, thinking only to run a few long curves to clear my head, but in a matter of minutes I’d be out at the beach with the sound of the engine in my ears, the surf booming up on the sea wall and a fine empty road stretching all the way down to Santa Cruz … not even a gas station in the whole seventy miles; the only public light along the way is an all night diner down around Rockaway Beach.

There was no helmet on those nights, no speed limit, and no cooling it down on the curves. The momentary freedom of the park was like the one unlucky drink that shoves a wavering alcoholic off the wagon. I would come out of the park near the soccer field and pause for a moment at the stop sign, wondering if I knew anyone parked out there on the midnight humping strip.

Then into first gear, forgetting the cars and letting the beast wind out .. . thirty-five, forty-five … then into second and wailing through the light at Lincoln Way, not worried about green or red signals but only some other werewolf loony who might be pulling out, too slowly, to start his own run. Not many of those – and with three lanes on a wide curve, a bike coming hard has plenty of room to get around almost anything – then into third, the boomer gear, pushing seventy-five and the beginning of a windscream in the ears, a pressure on the eyeballs like diving into water off a highboard.

Bent forward, far back on the seat, and a rigid grip on the handlebars as the bike starts jumping and wavering in the wind. Tail-lights far up ahead coming closer, faster, and suddenly – zaaapppp – going past and leaning down for a curve near the zoo, where the road swings out to sea.

The dunes are flatter here, and on windy days sand blows across the highway, piling up in thick drifts as deadly as any oil slick … instant loss of control, a crashing, a cartwheeling slide and maybe one of those two inch notices in the paper the next day: “An unidentified motor-cyclist was killed last night when he failed to negotiate a turn on Highway 1.”

Indeed … but no sand this time, so the lever goes up into fourth, and now there is no sound except wind. Screw it all the way over, reach through the handlebars to raise the headlight beam, the needle leans down on a hundred, and wind burned eyeballs strain to see down the centerline, trying to provide a margin for the reflexes.

But with the throttle screwed on there is only the barest margin, and no room at all for mistakes. It has to be done right … and thats when the strange music starts, when you stretch your luck so far that fear becomes exhilaration and vibrates along your arms. You can barely see at one hundred; the tears blow back so fast that they vaporise before they get to your ears. The only sounds are the wind and a dull roar floating back from the mufflers. You watch the white line and try to lean with it … howling though a turn to your right, then to the left and down the long hill to the Pacifica … letting off now, watching for cops, but only until the next dark stretch and another few seconds on the edge… . The Edge… . There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others – the living – are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it, and then pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time to chose between Now or Later.

But the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it’s In. The association of motorcycles with LSD is no accident of publicity. They are both a means to an end, to the place of definitions.

Campisi

Goddamn I love Thompson. His ideas about journalism are part of the reason why I lost my job as a reporter, and most of the reason why I didn’t mind too much. I picked up his book on the Hell’s Angels one overcast morning and didn’t put it down until I saw the back cover; I like to think of it as essential motorcyclist reading.

http://twitter.com/hagus Luke Burton

One thing I will say is that this is blogging at its best. Periodically throw in something controversial to get those threads with hundreds of comments. Mission accomplished!

Can we go back to bagging Ducati’s cruiser now?

stopthehate

Sounds like a bunch of jealous people over here. What’s wrong? Some fast street riders get notoriety and all hell breaks loose? You readers will never be on their level on and off the bike. I think it’s fucking great!! I love reading shit like this. The leathers and helmets were off and these guys spoke their peace and minds and probably had a few beers in them. Would love to read and see more on this bunch, they sound like characters from Goodfellas,Heat and Donny Brasco all rolled up into one.
Grant, Wes, any follow ups in the future?

Liquidogged

GeddyT hit it on the head, no reason to even go there again.

I do want to reiterate that I’m more than a little creeped out at all the boners are popping over these these guys, especially Wes and Grant. You can tell a lot about people by the company they keep and who they look up to. Before 1arm gets all excited, no amount of balls related comments is going to make that untrue.

stopthehate

Liquidogged, you are a fucking tool bag. where does it say Wes and Grant keep company with them or look up to them? It was a simple interview with a few drinks in the mix and a few photos. Sounded like a good time, wish I was invited. And its good enough to get you all reading and posting. Again!! Who are you? Are you a somebody or just a InterNet jerkoff? Im guessing youre a jerkoff.
Tell me the best way you can about “what a real motorcycle ride should be”. Please.
These guys are everything you wish you can be. Hardcore riding mother fuckers with out a care in the world. Fuck everyone!! I love it.

pauljones

Let it go, dude.

You’re not going to change the minds of people who disagree with you guys about this anymore than they’re going to be able to change your mind. I have my own opinion on these guys, but it’s just not worth getting into a shitfest about anymore. We all had it out in the video thread, and that’s that. It’s done. Over. They had their 15 minutes in the spotlight where they got to proclaim their existence and express themselves.

Whether you think it’s good or bad is pretty much irrelevant. It is what is. It’s time to just leave it at that and move on.
Liquidogged

You sound pretty excited. It’s just a messages on a blog post. Learn to chill. It’s hard for me sometimes, too. For the record, I have no desire to do what they’re doing. I’ve got other ways to get my adrenaline fix. Ways that only endanger people who sign on to be endangered. I don’t feel the urge to say much more about it, so I’ll leave it at that.

Natives MC

Wow! Some people really got their panties in a bind. Although I will say that it’s common knowledge that if you have to state that you are something… you’re probably not… just sayin’

http://Twitter.com/greatistheworld Will

Wes and Grant, reporting on illegal things and quoting people that break the law is definitive bad journalism. Stick to recalls.

Michael

“Wes and Grant, reporting on illegal things and quoting people that break the law is definitive bad journalism. Stick to recalls.”

So journolism outlets should never report on things people do, which other people deem illeagal? If you want that level of censorship, move to China or the Middle East.

It is stories such as this, which push our culture forward. By understand folks, we can relate with them, and communicate with them. From there, change and growth are the natural byproducts.

Not everything NYC’s Fastest has said is smart, but not everything they was stupid either. Regardless of that, it is better than the whole-cloth censorship you suggested. This isn’t a personal attack, just something for you to consider.
- http://hellforleathermagazine.com Wes Siler
  
  I think he was joking :)
  
  Good points though.
- http://Twitter.com/greatistheworld Will
  
  I was kidding :) mostly making a swipe at everyone here saying HFL is irresponsible about letting these people speak for themselves. I don’t know what they want to read on this blog. It’s not like we don’t also get a million posts a month on safety.
  
  Excellent points though!

chili sv

It’s a nice study in order versus chaos. It’s not as if they have no rules. They exist and they apparently have existed for some time. In doing so, they’ve clearly developed a code. They’re not heroes, they’re not vilains – at least based on the evidence at hand – they just…are. You can condemn them if you want. You can also condemn a tiger for being a predator and kittens for being adorable; it’s pointless.

slopoke

The logic doesn’t add up
They contradict themselves
They have nothing to prove, yet seem to need to prove it at every opportunity
They are faster than everyone but can’t make a living doing it?

I don’t doubt these guys are fast, but I’m guessing these guys also caught a fish this big (holds hand far apart)once.

Hey stopthehate, love how you exude hate towards others defending these guys. I thought you wanted to…stop…the…hate…

PatrickVA

These guys are tools, but they exist whether HFL reports on them or not. Better to have them reported on as part of MC culture, good or bad.

I hope Wes and Grant keep it up, and include a global view of all that makes up the motorcycle world. Interview a year-round commuter, a one percenter, an Iron Butt rider, maybe one of the guys doing the pre-1916 coast-to-coast ride (http://www.motorcyclecannonball.com/).

We’re more different than alike, but there is one major common thread.

Richard Gozinya

Now that would be great to see! In keeping with the outlaw theme, Wes and Grant definitely need to sit down for a few drinks with a few 1% types. It’s just too bad they never had the opportunity to interview Richard Quigley.

unimpressed

I’m quite positive that their track days are for homos attitudes are a direct result of being laughed at when they attended one and were passed by a 1st year novice on a clapped out EX500.

It’s easier on the ego to ride in the dark when nobody can see how slow you really are.

P

Totally agree.

Wes – get these two on a track quick smart. Let’s see exactly how good they really are.

My money is on them getting their asses handed to them on a plate. Any fool can pin the throttle and call it skill, but it takes a genuinely GOOD RIDER to post a killer time at a track.
- GuessWho
  
  Thanks to all that tried their best to set these key board toughguys straight.
  Here’s the deal. NYC Fastest, some of us have been on the track and we did pretty damn good for our first time. Unlike the trackday homos that think they’re racers, we went straight to the Penguin school, got race licence’s and raced. Yes, raced. I’ve personaly did Loudon, Pocono, VIR, and Daytona with good results on a stock 600, with tires. I went from AM to JrEx in 2 weekends. How many of you can say you raced? Like we quoted in our interview ‘trackdays are for homos’, fake wannabe racers that don’t have the balls to get on a race track and bang elbows, knees, and plastic. Fucking fags love to bash and talk shit but you have nothing to back up your comments. I’ll destroy any fucking one of you on or off the track. Dont forget..to be fast on the track you still need balls and no fear, with out that your so-called “skill” is worthless.
  Your question why Im not racing, showing Hayden how its done, or running the the IOM TT? Well, we are not beating our chest saying we are the greatest but, we are pretty damn good riders with the capabilities to race fast on and off the track. No, we are no Hayden or Rossi but, Rossi and Hayden are no NYC Fastest. Also, funding, age and size plays a part. If I had the funds I’d at the TT with a huge smile. How many of you would race the TT? None, none of you have the balls to attempt it. That’s a fact!!
  Now say what you like cause none if matters to NYCF, we will still continue to do our Thing.
  - Nick
    
    Ummm. “Well, we are not beating our chest saying we are the greatest..”
    
    but wait, you just said, “I’ll destroy any fucking one of you on or off the track.”
    
    That’s chest beating in my book.
    
    Most guys here probably don’t doubt the fact that you can handle a bike – or you’d be dead a long time ago. The real problem is that you seem like a tremendous asshole with a massive chip on his shoulder- and your latest comments cement that impression.
  - mighty impressed
    
    with tires .. really, you had also tires on the bike!
    
    and yea, you will destroy any fucking one of us, except the many people who can ride better than you (and what is the biggest joke have the funds to go to the TT)
    
    so, so sorry that you are undereducated and can not afford to show the world what a great rider you are.
  - The Butcher
    
    Well, let’s not forget this gem:
    
    “Fucking fags love to bash and talk shit but you have nothing to back up your comments. I’ll destroy any fucking one of you on or off the track.”
    
    I implore you to back this up. You already know the deal and where it’s all going down so let’s see you be a man of your own spoken word. Fact is, you are singlehandedly THE biggest bitch in your wack-ass crew. That said, I bet you wish you were dead right about now.
    
    Baaaahaahahahahaahaaa!!!! That’s right suckafish, THAT just happened.
    - The Baker
      
      Im going to have to put my money on THE BUTCHER….i dont know this guy but I can tell he speaks from knowledge of the race track and I see he studies theory on the fastest line through a turn…hes right…after watching the nycf vids…no tight lines…just big mph and thats questionable…heard those speedos were photochopped…anyhow Wes…you brought nycf to the table…if they back down to the BUTCHER its only right to grant BUTCHER his 15 minutes…he sounds like a guy we can learn a thing or two from.
      - Booster
        
        Baker you are correct! The butcher knows what he is talking about. I’ve been racing bikes since the mid 90′s on a professional level,very highly skilled. I am know world wide I’m very sorry I can not say who I am. The reason for that is because I can not in anyway be associated with these criminal street fighting juice heads. This article is very sad. And I am very disappointed that wes would even waste his time having drinks with these convicts. Very sad for the real bikers out in this world that know the real meaning of riding. These guys fight over turf and who can hang out in the area where they are. I thought all bikers accept all bikers at least real down to earth people. These nyc fastest are not real bikers,racers ect…… I have no respect for guys that call them selves bikers and go out and steal bikes from their fellow biker brothers ,what a shame. Grow up little boys grow up. And one more thing you and your little nycf gang,crew,organized crime organization would be very slow on the track. Ride safe a be alert. Goodnight

Swagger

If they’re stroking these drooling morons then Wes and Grant should be ashamed. That was my initial take after reading this horrific piece of tripe.

However, I begin to wonder if it was a subtle pointing-out of what losers these guys are. I mean think about it…..you can read their own words, the “thoughts” plying what’s left of whatever gray matter they were equipped with from the factory, and you can easily surmise that these ‘riders’ are nothing more than pre-statistical smears on the pavement.
My only hope is that they take each other(and the rest of their merry band mincing knuckle dragger) out and nobody innocent has to suffer from whatever accident they are doubtlessly going to cause.

Slowrider

Meh. Doubling the posted speed limit is doubling the posted speed limit regardless of what it is. I can say Iv done it on plenty of occasions, Im sure many of you that are spewing so much hate have also. I dont do it every night, or even on regular occasion as again Im sure most would say, but im sure ill do it again. I honestly think most of you are a bunch of hypocrites. I completely agree with the analogy of who is setting the worse example? Squids wear 0 gear fucking zipping back and fourth thru town on a sportbike or a cruiser, or those guys. My vote is for the squids. Does that make what they do any better? No. But it does put into perspective whats worse and who we vent our frustrations onto. You people hoping that they die are the ones who should be ashamed. I read a whole lot more stories of motorcycle deaths caused by cagers, or novice riders riding above their limits, or un organized groups leaving slow riders in the back w/o a sweep. Iv read maybe two stories in the last few years of somebody dieing on their bike ’cause they we’re blasting some road at 150+ late at night.

And GeddyT, with your “inequities of scale” My friend, your big words and math do a poor job covering up your serious lack of understanding what it is we do. We ride motorcycles, they are inherently dangerous. If you want safe, take a bus.

GeddyT

It’s not big words and math that are important here, Slowrider, it’s the simple logic that you should see. You take issue with my bringing up scale issues and then repeat the same logical fallacy! Of COURSE you read of more deaths from inattentive cagers, novices over their heads, etc. than fools blasting 150+ at night because there are very few fools blasting 150+ at night relative to the vast hordes representing those other groups. It’s very simple.

And then you go on to parrot one of the more idiotic sentiments expressed in this whole debate: that the “inherent danger” involved in riding a motorcycle exists in a bubble that closely surrounds your own person. The fact of the matter is that this has NOTHING to do with the personal danger these super squids are placing themselves in. It’s a free country, so whatever gets their rocks off as far as I’m concerned. The problem is that they are placing OTHER motorists in danger and have managed to trivialize this fact in their justification for what they do. It’s an extremely selfish attitude that several here have pointed out.

I have ridden plenty, track and street, all on modern sport bikes. I also am one who believes a blanket speed limit is about the most arbitrary way to promote safety on a public road, and generally pay them no mind. Rather, I drive or ride with an eye towards the safety and comfort level of those around me. (I.e., go as fast as I want when I’m all alone or at the track and there’s no property I can damage, but maintain following distance and closing speeds in the presence of others out of respect for their safety and comfort.) I love the thrill of pinning the throttle just like the next guy and have found plenty of deserted farm roads on which to do it. I have also done my share of stupid things on public roads. What sets me apart in these instances is every time it has happened I INSTANTLY am embarrassed by them, consider them mistakes, and do my best to learn from them. When I’ve created a close call that has frightened another driver, it’s not something to be proud of or repeated.

See the difference? In one case the rider actually cares about the rights (to safe and predictable public roads) of others around him. In the other case I get the impression the rider really wouldn’t give a damn if his bike careened into a school bus full of orphans after a crash because he’d be dead anyway.

In this respect the differentiation expressed between the “daylight squids” that ride with no leathers or full face helmets and the “safer riders” that ride at night with full gear is laughable. I mean, by your logic motorcycling is inherently dangerous and we shouldn’t give a fuck, right? So why is it somehow better to wear full leathers? I mean, the daylight squid’s lack of protective gear is only going to hurt himself. And the nighttime super squid’s full complement of gear isn’t going to do diddly squat for the van that their bike rips in half after squirting out from under him.

The danger of riding and riding fast is a pretty awesome thing. It makes it fun and creates a total focus that is a rush to experience. But it’s also a personal choice. Exposing others to this danger on a public road is a lot like “riding the bus” also. Only the bus is full of other people, and you’re carrying a grenade with the pin pulled.

The fact of the matter is that these guys are nothing but good ol’ fashioned attention whores. Want proof? They record this shit and post it online. They’re not in it for the danger, the rush, the thrill. They’re in it to look cool, be regarded as tough, and carve out their niche just like the shorts and sandals afternoon squids that they so loathe. Just like the guys with jacked up pickups with chrome wheels that have never seen a grain of dirt. Just like the guys with the stretched Hayabusas with LCD screens in the swingarms. Yes, they’re all part of “motorcycle culture,” but that doesn’t make this fact any less fortunate.

If this weren’t the case, they wouldn’t be begging for the attention.

I guess I’m part of the problem for giving it to them…
- Liquidogged
  
  Yup. If these guys were the ballz to the wallz heroes some say they are, why do they feel the need to show it to the world? Real men don’t flex what they know they have.

Stephen

Last Friday night, I was driving my wife and kids along I-94 in Chicago when two twerps on crotch rockets plus an idiot in a Mustang decided to race. The motorcycle morons were splitting lanes, weaving and cutting off cars at 100+ while the Mustang moron tried to keep up, mainly by tailgating and passing with inches to spare. I saw the first bike and the car in the rearview mirror but I never saw the second bike until it went past. Things were developing so quickly that I would have had no time to react had something gone wrong.

I’m a cautious driver (and motorcyclist) who constantly checks his rearview and side mirrors and maintains an appropriate following distance. If I didn’t have enough reaction time, what about the people who drive distracted or don’t leave enough room? One mistake by one of those drivers and things would have gone terribly wrong for everyone involved.

These idiots could have killed several people – namely my wife and two young children. Wiping out an entire family for your warped “code” is pretty much fucked up.

Duke09

“This glass of burbon is a social tool”

I like this quote reguardless of how ignorant it may sound.

Brad

I think these guys vs the ghostrider would make for some good youtube videos. If it wasn’t for crazy people what we watch on the internets?

http://www.postpixel.com.au Mugget

What I just replied with above… “there is a big difference between something that can actually hurt someone, and something that ‘might’ hurt someone.”

Obviously riding a bike into a person/car “actually” has the ability to hurt someone. What I am talking about is getting pulled over by a cop and getting the talk “… you could have killed someone”. But I didn’t. Alot of “could haves” but I have never killed anyone, those guys doing 2am runs have never killed anyone. You could keep throwing up “could haves” those scenarios are not what is happening. I hope I get across the point I’m trying to make.

Liquidogged

The possibility of hurting innocent people is equally as unacceptable as the actual act of hurting innocent people. It’s all about freedom. The cage drivers on the road don’t get to opt out of this. They are stuck with it. Whatever the percentages, whatever the possibilities, whatever the changes, they aren’t getting to make the choice. That choice is being made for them. That’s fucked up and it’s not what this country is supposed to be about. Sure, there are MUCH worse things happening all over the place, but that doesn’t make this ok. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and 200 hundred million idiot cage drivers sexting while putting on makeup on the highway and eating mcmuffins doesn’t make Skank and his crew right. That’s just now how it works.
- Liquidogged
  
  Spelling errors everywhere. changes= chances, now=not. Need to lern2typemoar.

Pamberjack

I’ve got first dibs on the movie rights for this story…

DunkinDeezNutz

The movie has already been made…it was called XXX-State of the Union…starring Vin Diesel…remember? Right now NYCFASTEST is traveling the globe doing covert operations for the U.S. GOVERNMENT in exchange for squashing their speeding and unsafe lane change tickets.

El-Diablo

New York’s dumbest

http://www.urbanrider.co.uk Urban Rider

Regarding Wes and Grant glamourising these guys…

This site is about culture, style and design. This article falls under culture. ‘New Yorks Fastest’ are a part of motorcycle culture whethere we like it or not. I would rather they had a platform to speak on like HFL for the following reason.

In the UK, during our recent general election, there was much debate as to whether the BNP, a far right organisation should be given a voice by the media. Everyone disagreed but ultimately by being given a platform to speak on the BNP exposed themselves as vulgar racists instead of champions of the down-trodden inidigenous ‘British’ man.

Wes and Grant have just given these guys a platform. The riders themselves have create their own downfall by exposing the ‘urban legend’ of their ‘crew’ as a load of rubbish. In their greed for notoriety they expose their stupidity.

GuessWho

We are already fucking known, the HFL interview didnt give us any extra notoriety. Thats why we agreed to meet with Grant and Wes. Once the fire was already started over 15 years ago it really didnt matter how big the flames got. Cops know of us and they dont give to shits about what we do. The hard part is catching us in the act. And witch law enforcement agency is suppose to prosecute us? FBI? CIA? NYPD? Nassua County? or all the above? Maybe set-up a Nation wide operation sting and sit on the side of all the roads on L.I. and wait for us to rip by!! Get real ass wipes. These guys have better things to worry about then a bunch of guys speeding on their bikes at 3am on any giving night. Oh wait, they’ll trace the video. Lol. Who, what and where was this done?
dave hargreaves

Urban Rider, I think, is the only poster above that ‘gets’ the intent of the article. Wes and Grant are great guys, and pretty damn decent journalists.. Any of you guys claim the same thing? HFL is a Style and Culture blog. Always has been. Sure, there’s ‘News’ thrown in as well, with pretty decent reviews on gear/bikes. Real-world type stuff rather than paid-for dribble. They gave these guys a platform, and are simply presenting one group of a World Culture. MANY different types of people make up this thing we call Life. Open your horizons, people.. As far as this being an ‘interview’… I saw no questions asked/dick-sucking going on… W&G simply let them talk. Cool in my book. Thanks, guys for this one… Can’t wait for the next. (Moto-Cops @ the Donut-Hole perchance?_

carlos

point: a fast asshole is still just that, an asshole.

comments like those above from “guesswho” make me really appreciate the types like Guy Martin. A guy who has no fear, survive a fire ball, and then have a smile afterwards, and say, “ehh, just hit a bit of a bump”… Even when Guy is pissed from his races, he still seems pretty proper.

RachelS

I don’t mind the racing on public streets or any of the dangerous behavior. That part I think is pretty damn cool, F the MAN! Yeah!

The part I cant stand about these guys is how dumb they are. I can respect anyone that speaks the way do. Enough with the ghetto slang. I bet if these guys DID seem like our brothers, fathers, or friends, we would respect them more. They just seem like ghetto trash that happen to be good at riding. Basically the Maurice Clarett of motorcycles.

I imagine these guys are complete meat heads similar to Jersey Shore or Jerry Springer cast offs. I can respect the riding but I refuse to glorify stupidity and ignorance. You feelin’ me G?

Michael

“I don’t mind the racing on public streets or any of the dangerous behavior. That part I think is pretty damn cool, F the MAN! Yeah!

The part I cant stand about these guys is how dumb they are. I can respect anyone that speaks the way do. Enough with the ghetto slang. I bet if these guys DID seem like our brothers, fathers, or friends, we would respect them more. They just seem like ghetto trash that happen to be good at riding. Basically the Maurice Clarett of motorcycles.

I imagine these guys are complete meat heads similar to Jersey Shore or Jerry Springer cast offs. I can respect the riding but I refuse to glorify stupidity and ignorance. You feelin’ me G?”

This has to be the most shallow and vapid post on this entire thread. Why does NYC’s Fastest sound ghetto? I don’t know. Does it really matter or contribute to the general exchange of ideas? Going of your same criteria of what’s significant; why do you sound like a snob?

So you are fine with the possibility of reckless endangerment, but the fact that they sound ghetto is 31 flavors of fucked up? Awesome.
- RachelS
  
  I believe they sound ignorant and uneducated (like Jersey Shore meat heads) and that is something that is all too often celebrated when it should be condemned. My post is full of hyperbole in an effort to make a point. Its not the riding skill or even illegal activity that I disrespect but their evident ignorance. I more ashamed of Wes and Grant for celebrating said ignorance by giving it a forum.
  
  Its not a social economic thing as much as “stupid” thing.
  - Michael
    
    “I believe they sound ignorant and uneducated (like Jersey Shore meat heads) and that is something that is all too often celebrated when it should be condemned. My post is full of hyperbole in an effort to make a point. Its not the riding skill or even illegal activity that I disrespect but their evident ignorance. I more ashamed of Wes and Grant for celebrating said ignorance by giving it a forum.
    
    Its not a social economic thing as much as ‘stupid’ thing.”
    
    I am not going to disagree with you on the stupidity aspect of what you are saying. More and more our culture idolizes non-thinking to the point of this being one big freaking moron-a-thon. If anything, the programming on our television sets proves this out anecdotally. Maybe it is just pissing you off that NYC’s Fastest have the cognitive capacity to ride in the manner they do (which isn’t too much more than a Crap-Shoot), but sound like ass-hats. I can jive with that. I can also get past how they sound and focus on what they are saying. Regardless of how you think they sound, they do make a couple of decent points. To be fair, they make several bad ones too.
    
    I like to think that motorcycling is a thinking person’s pursuit. Even with the electronic aids we have today on our bikes, there is still a lot going on for people to process. We can still fuck ourselves, and others, up royally if we lose control of the bike. To keep it simple, it’s the whole, “killing others,” part I and most others are homing in on. All the other issues are off-shoots from that point.
- pauljones
  
  So you are fine with the possibility of reckless endangerment, but the fact that they sound ghetto is 31 flavors of fucked up? Awesome.
  
  Not to make any judgments on the validity of either your argument or RachelS’ argument, but the words you chose to express your point in cracked me up.
  
  I’ve never heard the line “31 flavors of fucked up” before, and for some odd reason, that made me laugh my ass off.
  
  I tip my hat to you and Hogster for being the only two commenters in this thread to make me laugh.

RachelS

UGH! ‘I can respect anyone that speaks the way do.’

Should read: I can not respect anyone that speaks the way that they do.

Sorry – I am a moron as well, I guess I should stop throwing stones!

Vallentino R.

Do you think if I tell chicks that I know Nycfastest I will get laid? LoL…what D-bags!

Nassau County Highway Patrol

As usual…NYCFastest talked too much! Forget helmets, leathers, boots and gloves….Skank needs an Alpinestar sock stuffed in his mouth on the follow up interview from Nassau County Correctional.

Ryan

Wow.. So many people butthurt. How about live and let live or MYOB

mike

how about you shut up.
go ride w/ your NYC fastest friends

Awwwstin

They have been doing this for over 15 years and this is the first they tell anybody about it? Yeah fucking right. I’d like to see which company is making leathers big enough for the egos these guys are hauling around with them. Is it hard to get the bike out of the garage at 2am without waking your mom up?

Steve516

I really doubt these two tools or any of the rest of their crew has ever been to a trackday or participated in any sanctioned racing events. Loudon – spelled L O U D O N by the way, keeps getting faster.

Rational people ride on the street, and ride at certain speeds. At a certain point most rational folks agree that a certain speed is not safe for certain conditions. Rational folks who want to go faster while reducing the danger to themselves and others, go to the track or a sanctioned racing event. The risks are still great, but more controlled perhaps. The rewards come from competing with the others on the track – with passing and position and skill and lap times as you ride. Tell me these two tools won every amateur, intermediate, and expert race that they entered at Loudon or whatever track they visited and raced at. Tell me? Really – they beat Jeff Wood at Loudon? Or Scott Greenwood? Really? Not many folks have, and the few that have, are still racing at Loudon.

Riding at night you are only as fast as your headlights. As soon as you lean the bike over, you are essentially blind at night. Blind = dead.

Is speed and high speed a part of street riding? Absolutely. Doing what they do is not street riding. It’s taking the public roads and making it into their own private race track, with no regard for the laws of the state, or the laws of physics, or the other people on the road no matter what hour that are not expecting folks to come by at 130+. If traffic is moving X speed, anything 20mph over that is going to stun or shock the traffic.

Sorry, but they don’t deserve to be glorified. They need a good smack in the head, and they need to get on the track. I guarantee that it takes them 2 seasons to make expert – regardless of lap times. And once they do make expert, it will be another two seasons before they get to the podium.

MIKE in Ca

Wow, what a complete bunch of fools.
You wanna ride late at night, good for you.
but racing someone that you know is not as fast as you, and should not be out riding, and then he dies… and your attitude is “no big deal.. I’m not gonna back down when you talk $hit”

Then to call trackday riders homos…

entertaining read, but I’m sure these riders will weed themselves out… population control.

http://plugbike.com/ skadamo

whoa, i’m late to this party but one thing I really like is they try to help slow people realize they are slow. Their tactics may be aggressive but at least they have some concern for the slow guys with big egos.

lawrence1

Suicidal

Maddmatt

I drive my bike to work every morning, rain or shine, and carry an average speed of 196, including stoplights, and several hairpin turns.

I have a 1996 katana 600 with a really good jet kit.

LOL. I hope someone can get my sarcasm. Let’s all laugh at “one arm bandit” for saying hes taking NYC corners at 170. LMAO. Average speed on most GP tracks isn’t much over 120. SO basically what he’s saying is that he can carve a turn better than an F1 car.

Thanks for the article HFL. I enoyed it

http://www.frequency13.com Decline

Guess I have to sell my bike now. Thought it would be ok to own one but I don’t ride it at 140 – 180 mph. Wish I had read this sooner. I didn’t realize everyone not riding like them shouldn’t be allowed to own a bike. Do the dealers know this?

A little more seriously. These guys really do come off sounding like egotistical uneducated thugs. Interesting read though.

GuessWho

Keep crying little ones. Remember, we are the ones you’re crying about. Now, go read the interview,study it good and look at the sick pic Grant took of us. Sorry, you’re not worthy enough to have our status. Now, I’m going to stand under the street lamp and see if anyone recognize me. Ha.

http://www.tripleclamp.net Sasha Pave

If these guys want to write their own death certificates, then let them do so. The only thing that impresses me about this is that they can reach the upper speed limits of their bikes. Does it give them recognition as the best racer in the US? Not by any means.

It’s an accomplishment only with a small group of riders, glory in an illegal and dangerous game. But that’s what seems to drive these guys. If it weren’t subversive and illicit, they’d be finding their thrills breaking laws through other crimes.

Lord of the Flies. Given enough time they will end up dead or in jail. Only the lucky ones will survive. These aren’t responsible men, so you can’t expect them to behave responsibly and certainly not obey laws.

I just hope they don’t take out the soccer mom with her kids in the back. A 650lb projectile moving 200mph can do some damage. If they do slam into the back of Mrs. Mom, I hope she’s in a Yukon XL with crash bars.

And Bravo to HFL for presenting the subversive dark underside, it makes for entertaining reading and even more entertaining user comments. As Grant and Ray proved, just quoting these riders allow for us readers to come to our own conclusions.

GuessWho

Yo, stupid bitch. Time? I’ve being riding sport bike for 23 years and playing my game of death for 16. What are my odds?

GuessWho

I know most of you are a little slow and stupid when it comes to bike talk and riding so, when saying “stock bike”, I’m talking about it being completely OEM. Now, when mentioning tires on a track bike I’m talking about race rubber. Got it? Oh yeah, it had tires and rims too. Fucking idiots.

Jammin

Nice tough reporting, hardball questions, LOL. If I ever seem them at night I’ll toss a bucket of bolts in their face.

Ed

Haven’t we seen a version of this article before?

Anyway, there’s more dick swinging, pulling and sucking in that article than in the Castro on a Friday night. Could they be more of a lowlife caricature? Oh, that’s right, “NYC’s fastest” have to justify themselves by putting everyone else down. Got it. Apparently the interviewees still feel they have a lot to prove to themselves, to Grant, and by extension, to us.

They aren’t doing track days because those require planning, money, time and effort. Going fast at night on public roads requires none of that. They’re lazy, just like Joe Average.

The article itself is showing us a small subculture of the local motorcycling scene,which is a good thing. I could have done without the laughable “every woman wants to be with him, every man wants to be him” – style opener.

Secret agents, these guys ain’t. Whatever mystery these guys had is long gone after reading the article. On the bright side, this is generating hits, comments and traffic for HFL, which is exactly the idea. Say what you will about this subject matter, but HFL isn’t boring.

Ed

Ah, right, the video was put up in May. That’s why all the comments ring of deja vu.

slopoke

Goodbye H4L. This kind of “reporting” does nothing positive for the community you cater to, but it does wonders for your hits which was the purpose after all wasn’t it?

GuessWho

Oh yeh another thing. I can run faster then everyone and i can jump the highest too. I can sit in the tanning bed teh longest and I can do more yaygerboms too. I leave my ego in my tank bag with my GED and my dick pump. Ya’ll better listen to me cause I break faces like glass bottles on the ground. I’m a limp dick with one arm and I’m fat. Be scared. Got it? Fucking idiots.

still mighty impressed

see, you obviously need to proof things to the world and that mostly indicates it is to compensate for something else. And by the magnitude of showing of (“NYV fastest”!) we all can figure out the rest.

Thats also the reasons for the youtube videos – it’s not the point to just ride fast. No, you have to tell and show the world what you can do (and yes we know, the bike is your bitches blah blah blah ….))

And no, it is not the fact that ones english might not be perfect. It’s just that all the fucking, homos and so on is just also a clear indication of your inferiority complex.

Ride safe
GuessWhoo

Your just an ugly fat criminal that steals peoples motorcycles that work hard for what they have in this life. Your just a thief and you should go back to jail where you belong! Bitch ass busta!!!

middleman

I’ve been on the site for sometime and I bit my tong long enough. I don’t totally agree on what NYC Fastest does but it is real and there is nothing anyone of us can do about it so I except it for what it is, a bunch of thrill seeking, adrenalin pumped, psycho maniacs doing something I wish I had the nerve to try once.

With that said, I’m disgusted with most of you!! How the hell are you going to sit here and talk like you’re all perfect motorcyclist and hope death on any of these guys or anyone else for that fact? These guys ride and ride hard. There’s a time and a place for everything, and it seem’s like this group found that time and place to do what they do. Hoping or waiting for one of them to die doesn’t make you the right one. I think you’re all a bunch of haters that wish you had what these guys have. Good enough to get a piece writen on them in HFL. I don’t see anyone knocking on anyone of your doors looking for a interview. Again, hoping and wishing death on any fellow 2 wheeler doesn’t make you a real rider. It makes you a complete piece of shit.

GuessWho

Oh, don’t make fun of the way we speak, you’re hurting our feelings.
Sorry, we’re not some college scholars. Im NYC born and breed. 1Arm is European so his English is not so perfect. Grant and Wes recorded us and printed it as is. And we love it, you hate it, and we love it more.

W

Speaking as a big man…..You can either be fat or you can go 170, one or the other.

F’in liars.

Pdub

I think the BMW will move a big’un up to 170 no problem. It just won’t do it as quickly as it will someone 100lbs lighter which pretty much describes about 98% of any competitive racer. The other 2% are even lighter than that. I’ll leave the shit slinging out of this one. I think everything said here has been said 20x on the previous post about these guys. The article was a little bit of a letdown. Apart from cupping their balls in the opening HFL let it be these guys in their own words. We’ve already seen how well they express themselves and respond to debate. This comment thread is almost a complete repeat. What I was interested in was only sorta hinted at. I get it, the track is not for them. 250lbs is a definite handicap in racing. Even with superior riding and racing (they are two distinctly different things) skills it’s going to eat into any advantage you may have. The other guy having a mostly crippled arm will really take the fun out of all but the most sweeping tracks which AFAIK don’t exist in the NE. The constant and uninterrupted accelerating, braking body shifting is gonna play hell with any deficiency. Not that either rule someone out. I’ve known of a few heavy racers and know of one that is completely missing one arm. The all still race but there’s no ego in it. They know they aren’t going to be “the fastest” and it doesn’t bug them. Now I’m not psychoanalyzing these guys nor making apologies for them that they aren’t making themselves. Just saying the track is not the same experience as what is shown in the videos. Uninterrupted high speed riding through sweeping bends is not racing, or it can be. I think what they were doing is called NASCAR on four wheels. Yep, that’s probably closest to what this is. 2 wheeled NASCAR on public roads. As to the where, when, how that would have been more interesting to hear about. I understand these guys want to keep their identity and the roads they use discreet as they want to keep doing their “thing”. What I would have liked to have read about was what they do and how they choose their runs. Obviously they are as familiar with their runs as a racer is on his home track. I imagine they probably check it during the day or on a lower speed pass for any conditions that may have changed since they last were on it such as new road work, debris, police presence, or anything else. That’s just from my considerations. If you’re going to do an exposé on this thing give us more than the back slappin’ and circle jerking. Inquiring minds want to know.
- GuessWho
  
  Pdumb, so little going on in your sad life you feel the need to make short story comments over and over like all your ass pounding pals GeddyT, and the rest. You attention starved? The kid that was picked on in the school yard? Are you the kid I gave wedgies to? No friends? No social life? I bet all the above. I guess this little forum is where all you no-lifes can get together and have your little social life. I can see why you hate us so much. Get a fucking life and stop worrying about us stupid-GED-wreckless-selfish-assholes.
  - fatbacktire
    
    I have only 50% use of my right arm, but it isn’t the fear of getting hurt that keeps me off the street. The fear of most of us have of losing our license is the only thing keeping these guys “fastest.” Interesting article, but then again it’s four in the morning and I can’t sleep. I remember this guy Ed in Atlanta back in the day. He rode an old ZX-9 with a Muzzy 998 kit on it. The bike was fast and he was going 180 MPH everywhere he went. They nicknamed him “Superman” and he eventually put some Superman logo sticker on his gas tank. I was a wrench at the shop where he bought all of his aftermarket parts for his bike. I thought he was fast and heard he was fast, until I offered him time on the track for free.
    
    His apexes on the street are questionable. On the track he was squirrely as shit. I let the fastest guy in the southeast follow me around for about a lap and then I checked out. I have an ego. That’s why I only can use 50% of my right arm.
    
    I say we rent a track and host us a turkey shoot so “New York’s Fastest”; we should do it before Thanksgiving because I am sure some “riders” put their bikes away for winter.
    
    Doing expert lap times at Loudon is about as easy as doing beginner times at Road Atlanta or Barber. No on in the article claimed to have done professional lap times at Loudon. There is a huge difference between doing professional lap times and expert lap times. The main one being someone who buys thier ride and giving them a bike to ride. These guys endorse nothing to speak of.
    
    I will beat them at any racetrack on a race day anytime and anywhere. Period.
  - pdub
    
    Was I talking to you? I don’t think so. My comment above was directed at the owners of this blog and it wasn’t complaining that they were giving you retards more attention. It was that if they were going to, maybe they could have enlightened us more on this “world” you live in rather than breaking out the vaseline and passing around amongst yourselves. If they do a follow up piece more on that point I’d read it with interest.
    Come on back with your pussy, fag, I’m such a tough guy BS all you want. I’m not listening. They say to never argue or debate with children and idiots. I don’t know which you are but by your words you and your boy’s club come off as a good mixture of the two.

K2theM

Woot 200 comments!

Yay they ride fast at the wee hours of the morning!

Alfonzo

So why is supa-moto-retard not affiliated with NYF anymore?

http://tremoto.com Eddie Smith

Entertaining read, keep HFL edgy.

Jon

Not these douchebags again. HFL = TMZ of motorcycling. Stay classy!!!

The Butcher

–All – Please take note that not a single one of these guys have turned top Expert lap times at NHMS (Loudon, NH). It has been researched based on comments in the article as well as ones posted here. Suffice to say that at least one of these guys is nothing more than completely full of shit. They might be respected within like 12 people on Long Island but there are hundreds more who don’t consider what they do as “riding”. To each their own but look at the entire situation before you go idolizing these guys.

–New York’s Fattest – It would be in your best interest to check out the recent comments section left for your video. Now is your time to really shine, above and beyond this article as well as above and beyond some straight line, weak-assed highway riding video where you somehow still manage to exit damn near every turn wide even on an 80 foot wide swath of tarmac. This challenge is as real as it gets, dudes…professional timing, your very own open track sessions and everything. I know you feel the track is for homos but it’s time to put up or shut up….and something tells me you won’t have much to say about this in the near future. As an added bonus, I and a few other homos will be there to show you what real riding looks like just in case you haven’t actually expereinced it first hand. Hope you guys can make it.

–Hell for Leather – As far as the article itself goes, I request that the author do his research from now on when interviewing anyone as there is so much nonsense contained within the pages it dances on the line of hilarity and quite honestly makes this place look like a joke. If New York’s Fattest decides to step up to the challenge that has been presented to them, it would be an honor to host you during the challenge. I guarantee you’ll have a quality story to post up.

Stay safe all!

Love,

The Butcher

supermotoretard

you live in your world,we live in ours..i didn’t and wouldn’t challenge anyone,but being you did,when and where…i ride the streets for fun,not racing,but i do race supermoto,and accept your challenge…when and where..?i love you too butcher… i speak for myself,and i ride for myself.. if you live local,we meet at the 7/11 on 231 tuesdays around ten p.m….come by and say hi..
- The Butcher
  
  I encourage you to check out the comments section here for your video for all the details.
- pauljones
  
  Of the few of your clan that have commented here, thus far, you are the one who has my respect.
  
  I’m going to be perfectly honest here: I really don’t think that the sort of riding that you guys do is all that cool. I agree that what you guys do requires skill, be it on or off the track. I don’t agree that going 196mph on public roads is what riding is about. To me riding, is about something dramatically different than the need for hauling ass at any given time. But, then, as you point out, we each live in our respective worlds. So it goes.
  
  I accept that you do it, I accept that it’s certainly one corner of motorcycling, and I accept that nothing I say or do is going to change your minds. As such, I’ll spare you any ethical or philosophical diatribes on that subject.
  
  What gets me, though, is the same thing that gets me about every other kind of motorcycle extremist: the attitude. Note that it’s not your philosophy, it’s not what you do, and at this point, it’s not even a matter of where you do it. It’s the attitude of superiority. The need to call people “pussies”, “fags”, etc. The need to brag. The need to make childish threats like “I’ll break your face.” Other people in this thread did it first? Yes, yes they did. So what.
  
  Things like that are both juvenile and uncalled for, and are pet peeves for me. Which, unfortunately, means that I can be baited in to doing the same thing when I get annoyed enough. Not my proudest trait, but it is there.
  
  That said, the entire reason that I can’t take skank or the others seriously is that attitude of superiority, and their penchant for putting others down.
  
  When I read this, however, I was impressed enough to give you respect for it:
  
  you live in your world,we live in ours..i didn’t and wouldn’t challenge anyone,but being you did,when and where…i ride the streets for fun,not racing,but i do race supermoto,and accept your challenge…when and where..?i love you too butcher… i speak for myself,and i ride for myself.. if you live local,we meet at the 7/11 on 231 tuesdays around ten p.m….come by and say hi..
  
  A simple challenge. No bullshit. No insults. A simple and succinct statement of your personal philosophy and a simple offer to back it up. Again, I point out the lack insults, threats, etc. You merely expressed confidence in what you do and why. That is what makes a biker a biker. That is the definition of being a badass. It’s not what you ride, where you ride, or how you ride that makes you a badass, it’s your attitude and your confidence.
  
  For that, you have my respect as a person and as a rider.
  
  Skank and the others can stand to pay attention and learn something here about why you got the respect and they didn’t.
  
  You’re going to do what you do, regardless of what others think or say. As long that’s the case, then I have one thing to say to you: do it well. I don’t wish death or injury on you, but even the best of us can only beat the odds for so long.
  
  Take care of yourself out there.
  - supermotoretard
    
    i appreciate your kind words..as it says in the bottom of the article i am no longer affiliated with nycf..that being said i am my own island..i do like..love to race,i have raced louden,and the bridge(bridgehampton)with jim lester(rip)back in the 90′s,i also have been to Daytona and have a nice fifth place plaque from on of the r.o.c(in the pouring rain)…i am no superstar,but i can tell you nycf is fast on a whole different level,truly..took me two years to get up to speed..imo the bitcher,and guess who have alot in common,the need to run the mouth full speed…but he is away in europe.,.What alot(most…)..ok all of you don’t get,this world exists,,for all guess who’s poor way’s to communicate,and his(our)uneducated banter,as much as i don’t like,and or get along with guesswho..i have witnessed his awesome speed,have watched so called fastguys loose their manhood,walk away questioning there riding ability,he does what he does well…better than all of you could.,could he use some more education..yeah probably,could he use an edicate lesson or two..without doubt…does he need to to go fast…no.
    Our article was received so poorly,witch means you people didn’t get it,.i hear alot of b.s.,is this the riding community??this is what we are?i may sell my bike and start figure skating,i am ashamed of mostly all of you… riding is all of our passion’s and an outlet to be free.
    it is the finest of motorsports,it is the only motorsport that we as riders are mathematically part of the equation,we are part of the machine,,what we do on these highways are dangerous,and reckless,,,that is the essence of what we all do,spare the work commuters…
    again this show of non solidarity saddens me to the core.hope you all find some balance…
    
    for the record book….we ride fast enough to chunk ntec d211 gp(great britain)..to the people that say it’s fake..sorry but it’s not..i know that scares you but its as real as it gets….
    
    i do love you all…
    - Grive
      
      I don’t think it’s that people don’t “get” it. It’s more on the level of people getting it and don’t liking or feeling it.
      
      Personally, I’ve been up to around 160mph on a deserted roadway. I could do that often enough. I’ve ran with people who got near and even topped 200 on their custom rides.
      
      I get it. I got it. I understood, and decided it wasn’t really for me. The adrenalin kick wasn’t that important to me – and certainly, not worth the risks to myself and others. I decided that what I truly liked about bikes was the air, the whole experience of riding, of being in connection to where I am at the moment. Be it negotiating a gravel road or putting a couple new asphalt marks on my kneepads. So I can enjoy a big tourer, a dirtbike, a sportsbike, even a puny 250cc standard.
      
      So at least in my case, it’s not that I don’t see where you guys are coming from. However, your standard attitude reeks of internet tough guy, full of confrontational comments and putting down anyone who doesn’t feel the exact same way than you towards motorcycling – all while glorifying a very irresponsible activity. How can you ask for solidarity?
      
      When people who enjoy testing the limits of their bikes in a controlled environment are fags, when people who enjoy a sportsbike without needing to hit the redline in sixth are idiots, and when everyone else simply is too stupid to understand you, why would you expect any sympathy?
      - supermotoretard
        
        um..sympathy?i don’t remember asking for it..as for the bitcher,he is no better than guesswho.. two chest beaters.. It really is pathetic,i will be there on the 29th with my 450,i miss louden,as for the challenge,i missed when guesswho claimed a 113,andmissed how bitcher decided he was the hero of the stupid..at any rate,i will be there and i also know in my heart we will never see any of you at our spot,your fear is too high,i already now your gonna say it’s too dangerous,the cop’s blah blah,i never challenged anyone,nor am i now,but wll be there the 29th to watch stupidity in person,i am born and raised in the states…never left,never will,but the riding community in the states is so stuffy,so self righteous,europe is a much more receptive community to hooligan riding,not that it’s right.Who gave you all the right to speak for the riding community anyway?,not me that’s for sure.
        you are all in for a surprise on the 29th.
        and truth be told,i wouldn’t want any of you to do a run with us,you don’t have what it takes,.
        now check all my post’s,i haven’t called any name’s or degraded anyone,my comment about track days hit’s some peoples core,let me clarify,i have over 100 friends that do track days,and never have raced,to spend your money,set up a bike,and have no checkered flag,,,risk body and limb with a mix of valentino wanna be’s,weekend cruisers looking to get a feel for the track,and dopey asses waving to there friends while going off line and wrecking someone(true story)to me it’s like sex without the load.my point is,go to the track and get your license to race,learn from focused,accomplished racer’s,,,the penquin school for one…any of the woods including pop’s can steer anyone in the right direction.. so again trackdays are for scared half steppers…sorry if that stings a bit..oh for the record i attended a sportbiketrcktime trackday at pocono east twoyears ago… not a single rider could hang,ask any of the instructors,and i was on a stock motored 04 crf450 supermoto,that you will be seeing on the 29th..do i get anyhting if i run a 119 on it the first time there..since your handing money out
        
        Grive
        
        Supermotoretard, you said:
        “again this show of non solidarity saddens me to the core.hope you all find some balance…”
        
        The Sympathy part was from my own harvest. I can see why it could be misunderstood, and I apologize for that – tack it to nuances in language missed by a non-native speaker of english (that’s me). Maybe empathize would have been a better word. In any case, disregard the sympathy part, and my point stands.
        
        You lament that the article was received poorly because people don’t “get” you. I’m saying, that’s not really the case. NYCF (including you, even if you’re no longer affiliated) has portrayed itself in a very aggressive, polarizing light that simply makes solidarity hard if not impossible.
        
        It’s not about not “getting” your message. It’s about getting the message that NYCF has put out, and finding it a message of irresponsibility, arrogance and unwarranted confrontation.
        
        If that’s not NYCF, then… well, too bad. It’s the face you’ve chosen to show, and to the rest of the H4L community (if not the motorcycling community in general) finds it antagonizing at best and abhorrent at worst.
        
        So far, you’ve been the most civilly spoken of them all, and that certainly counts for a lot – as you might have noted by the more civil and emphatic responses of PaulJones, for example. Still, all this is the bed you guys made, so you’ve defined your napping place.
        
        I’m partially lumping you with your former crew not because you’ve been part of it, but because you put forth some of these ideas in the article, and have shown solidarity towards NYCF.
        
        Grive
        
        Erm, Empathic, nor emphatic.
        
        How a wandering letter can change the meaning of a whole paragraph.
GuessWho

Lol.Butcher,I think I have a idea who you are. Your name sounds familiar. You have a custom 1 piece? Race North East? Dont let me knowing who you might be scare you now. But Im sure if it is or isnt you yo’re not going to tell. Lol. You got a big fucking mouth,your challenge is worthless. I challenge you. Meet us tonight, Astoria Park under the bridge 11PM. Fast guy like you on the track should have no problem spanking us on the slow streets.

As for the track is for homos comment? You clowns take a comment and flip it all over the place. Comment was ‘trackdays are for homos’. we love racing on and off the track. Trackdays are for homos.

And Im glad people are doing research on us. Makes me feel important. :)
GuessWho

Jimmy, been to any good Greek restaurant in Astoria lately? Now, get quiet.
- The Butcher
  
  Well that’s 2 for 2 on your faggot assed clan backing down….even in the face of $2500!
  
  What an epic let down. LOLZ
  
  A few things before I go on with my life:
  
  -It was never MY challenge, fool. I was simply going to be at the track to hand you and your boyfriends your asses…and I fully plan on doing just that whenever you guys decide to man up. I’ve already risked life and limb on the street years ago and I’m over it.
  
  -I guarantee you have no clue who I am but you’re in luck because you know how to find me if you or your fuck buddies decide to grow some real balls and back up even half the BS in that article.
  
  -Nothing you have presented thus far has been impressive to the true motorcycling community. You guys suck at riding almost as much as you suck at life and judging by the video, a coke-head holds a tighter line than any of you dolts ever could.
  
  DIAF, the lot.
  
  Butcher, out.

GuessWho

Really? All these open challenges to the track but no one is giving up any info on when and where or their contact info. I guess me and the guys will just go to any track, assume some of you bitches are there and we’ll just start screaming ‘any HFL forum homos here?’. Keep talking all your bullshit. Until one of you really want to show us something just stfu. You got my info, just send me a message on YouTube. I’d love to hit the track, it’s been 9 years and Im sure we would have a great time. You fast guys can lead me around the track and teach me a few things.

GuessWho

Go on with your life? LMAO. You got no life. You little pussy. You’re stil talking about handing us our asses? Ok, stupid, I’ll ask you again!! I’ll man up. Where and when? You keep going on and on about this ‘handing of the asses’ but, you’re not telling me a fucking thing. You’re a pussy, you got no fucking back bone to meet me or anyone of us. Come on little pussy send me some info, you know how to reach me. You know damn well you’re not going to. You’re just a litle bitch talking shit from other world knowing damn well you’re no where near us. Just keep talking if it makes you feel good.
I’ll accept your ‘going on with your life’ as a bitch-out. Lol. Pussies like you are every where. All talk and no action. Ok, next track I visit I’ll make sure to yell out ‘HFL forum homo’ loud for you in hoping you respond.

The Butcher

LOL….Okay, I’m in for one more because your reading comprehension is nil and you’re still talking shit.

EVERY DETAIL…the DATES, the PLACE and what ever ride you wanna use….all in the VIDEO COMMENTS.

Check the VIDEO COMMENTS. You know, the comments in the video? Check them for details….in the VIDEO COMMENTS.
- K2theM
  
  psst…Some people need Links: 1000RR video

Vladimir Putin

‘HFL forum homo’

Classic, this place is full of em!

I appreciate these guys more and more.

All you forum commandos are evident of the pussification of America. When did motorcyclists become such pansies?

Have not motorcycles always been about rebellion and reckless behavior? Have not ‘bikers’ always been on the fringe of society?

You fags (HFL commenters) complain about Harley D RUBS being fake bikers ALL THE FREAKING time yet when confronted with some real bad ass mofo bikers, you suddenly become Johny Law Abiding Citizen.

You guys NEED these fuckers to exist. The mere fact that bad asses like this exist enables all of you to have the ‘biker mystique’. They get you laid, not your stupid Ninja or Ducati. Your bike is not inherently cool, it is cool because of the REAL bad ass guys (like this) that make it cool. They enable you to get the mystique without putting your ass on the line to earn it.

Think of them as your bad ass marketing department.

If not for guys like this everyone would associate Sportbikes with Euro-douches dressed like power rangers or Squids – not exactly two groups that are going to get you any trim. NYF may not pull ass directly but they help to reinforce the intangible idea that bikers are hell bent for leather! These guys are to sportbikes what The Hells Angels where to Harley.

You don’t have to like them or look up to them, but you NEED them to exist, and for that you should be grateful. So fuck off you panty waste pussies. – Vladimir Putin, via text from my trike

matt

Personally I would like to see a time trial in the US similar to what the Isle of Man is like. These guys riding 30 miles in 9 minutes, now that would be some great sports TV. I am not joking, these guys are on a different level from everyone else and puts them in the same category as the racers at the IOM, only these guys are more hard core because they do it at night for fun. I hope they get a deal to organize a sanctioned race, because with out the distractions of cars and trucks on the road, these guys may be able to do an 8 minute 30 miles run.

Brian Zooom

Ton Up Club riding has been around since the 50′s. This is nothing new, just a subculture to push the limits. The trash talking amongst everyone is borderline funny and sad. I wholly admit I have pushed into triple digit’s on an occasion, but on 2 wheels it has been limited by my machine of choice and hasn’t exceeded an indicated 143mph( which means probably around 135-ish maybe on my 70hp machine at the time). I am not into hyperbikes or superbikes and my track machine is naked bike modified for to suit my comfort and abilities. My street ride is a simple lowly heavy ADV style bike which comfortably carries me all over in most avenues of riding on the street that I wish to pursue. I have come to a conclusion though in regards to all of this after wasting a good bit of reading energy and time. Everyone needs to get the fuck off the internet and go fucking ride and just shut up and enjoy your individual machine(s) however you deem fit.

Stan your biggest fan

Psst..the link that won nycfastest their free vacation…www.600rr.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-17076.html

Manwich

Thanks for the link Stan. This crew is bad. They are just a bunch of thugs that need attention. Wow ! They made 2 million dollars and they can’t afford to go on the track? I just don’t get these guys. They all need a good psychiatrist. Very sad.

Stan your biggest fan

http://www.600rr.com.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-17076.html

pdub

BTW I think you got served. For you or anyone too lazy I’ll do the favor and repost the guy’s challenge for all to read here in this thread. About the only thing left for you to say is yes or no if you will be there. Now the outcome of that event is a HFL post to tune in to.

The repost:
SKANK.. YOU COULDNT RUNA 1:13 AT LOUDON WITH VALENTINO ROSSI PULLING YOUR FATASS AROUND… WE HAVE CHECKED THE RECORDS SUCKA!!!! THE LOWEST NOVICES HAVE RUN THERE ARE LOW 1:18′S .. YOU FAKE ASS BUSTAH!! THERE IS A BOSTON MOTO TRACKDAY JULY 14TH AND 15TH … WHY DONT YOU COME ON UP AND PROVE YOUR BUSTER ASS… I’LL PAY YOUR TRACK DAY FEES AND EVEN GET YOU ON A ” BASICALLY STOCK 600″ SO WE CAN SEE JUST HOW FAST… (OR NOT), YOU REALLY ARE… CONSIDER THE GAUNTLET THROWN PAL… ANYONE WITH A BIKE HAS DONE FULL PEG HIGHWAY RUNS IN THERE TIME… WE JUST DIDN HAVE YOUTUBE TO SHOW HOW STUPID AND CARELESS WE WERE… YEAAAAA YOUR 15 MINUTES HAS FINALLY ARRIVED… SOON TO BE WASHED AWAY BY A KITTY KAT VIDEO TOMORROW.. IM CALLIN YOU OUT!!!! FAKERS..

DEGS…. YOUR THE BEST… I’LL ADD ANOTHER $500 TO THE POT… SO THATS $2500+ PAID TRACKDAY FEES AND A FREE 30 MINUTES ON THE TRACK BY YOURSELF.. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK… CLOCKS TICKING ON YOUR EXCUSE NEW YORKS SLOWEST…….

MAKE THAT AUGUST 14TH AND 15TH FOR THOSE TRACK DAYS FOR THE “NEW YORKS SLOWEST CHALLENGE 2010″.. THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN MADE.. BUT I’M SURE YOUR NOT A TAKER.. YOULL PROBABLY WAIT TIL AFTER THE TRACK DAYS THEN POST LIKE… “OH MAN WE MISSED IT.. I’DA LOVED TO COME TAKE YO MONEY” THERE ARE OTHER TRACKDAYS THIS YEAR FOR BOSTON MOTO IF YOUR WILLING TO DO IT… THE CHALLENGE STANDS TO NEW YORKS SLOWEST… BUSTAHS!!!!

GuessWho

Yeah stupid, you’re looking at the wrong dates. And I’m glad I got you all interested in me and checking the LRRS results. Damn, you really are on my dick. Get a life. Sad. I could give 2 shits about you, who you are, what you do, or what you claim to be to take time out of my life to research it. You all proved to be sorry asses.

Sorry, but, I’m in Europe at the momment and wont be back in NY till the 27th of Aug. Yeah, thats right, in Europe. What am I doing here? I’ll be at Brno, and taking care of some other business.

Since Pdumb, is The bitches P.R. man you’ll have to reschedule that date. You both might get more then a bike beating. Lol.

Also, after all your shit talking and I still didn’t get that message with all that info, witch proves you are talking out of your ass. You post up a moto race in Boston? What does that tell me?Lol. You’re a fucking tool. And you better bring more then $2500. If I’m going to lose a weekends worth the business to bitch slap some HFL forum homos you better come with 6 large. Oh, for a moron that means $6000.

I still can’t believe you went looking on LRRS site researching me. LMAO. Are you really that fucking pathetic? You really can’t see how fucking stupid you are? I just keep pooring gas and you fucking morons keep blazing up. Who said it’s wrong to tease retards when it’s so much fucking fun. Lol. Ok, now you reply back!!Stupid. Haha.
- Grive
  
  For some odd reason, nothing in this post is surprising. At all.
- Truth
  
  NYCF have never been to Loudon.
  
  The people who have been saying they are NYCF are not.
- Kurlon
  
  I’m the geek trolling LRRS stats. I initially heard the story as ‘claimed as a novice to run 1:13s on a near stock 600 in LRRS.’ So, LRRS didn’t use the term Novice till 2005, stockish 600 will be MW class… easy cheesy to toll the results posted online to see if a Novice ever hit those numbers in MW, which none have. Took me about 5 minutes. I’m also a track rat and had this miracle ever occurred I’m sure the stories would still be going round and round and round the paddock.
  
  I was all set to post up and rain on the parade but a close read of the articles and comments didn’t see that exact phrase hence no calling out by me. I’m a geek, I mostly just need an excuse to play with numbers.

Liquidogged

Butcher versus Skank, on the track. Full video. After that everyone shuts the hell up and goes on with their lives. How many want to see this? Wes, Grant, you listening?

600racer

I agree!! This would be a great race!! Why? Just to see nycf cry like a little bitch that he is. And I assure you that I will be waiting at the finish line waiting to break that loozers face the way I break bottles. Wes,grant what’s it going to be? Are you journalists going to set it up or what? I bet 10 thousand that the butcher wins. He is the only one that knows what he’s talking about. I seen these lame ass videos. They all suck. Wes grant you support criminals? Criminal that steal motorcycles? You know something I want to be interviewed also!!! Be safe and god bless america
RICHLANDRICS

SKANK DOESNT WANT TO RACE BUTCHER… I KNOW BUTCHER, AND BUTHCHER WOULD BUTCHER SKANK…PERIOD.

papa doh back

Every dog gets its day! How do these idiots think that they are nyc fastest? Who lied to you boys? You all need to grow up and become men. And you should go to the track and go fast like ricky bobby. Ur all a bunch of idiots.

police

Great now we know who the night riders on the lie are. Good luck trying to get out of this one boys. I guess you guys didn’t learn your lesson. The funny thing is that we have all the videos and all the evidence we need. See you at astoria park, bell boulevard, deer park, lie , and so on ……..you think you got it all down to a science. I will give you a hint. I will never forget when u gave me the finger. I can’t wait to pull you idiots over and just lock you up and sell your bikes at auction hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

GuessWho

I give plenty of cops the finger, witch one were you?
BTW stupid, we dont ride on the LIE. Go watch more of our videos.
Also, the chances of you pulling us over and us stopping is zero. Fake ass wannabe internet cops, I love them.

sal brunzwick

Hey I hear you like to drop the soap. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehheheh. Get a life you non rider wannabeez.

RICHLANDRICS

HERE IS THE ORIGINAL CHALLENGE BUSTAHS… THEN ADD MY $500 TO IT..

Hmmmm, 1:13′s at Loudon on a basically stock R6? There are about 3 people who can do that and you arent one of them.

I have $1000 in cash that says you can’t beat 1:18 and another $1000 if you can beat 1:15. If you can’t beat the 1:18, you owe me $500 and I’ll give it to charity and post the video of your pathetic laptimes on youtube. You can use any bike you choose to bring. That’s 2 whole seconds off your reported lap time on any modified bike you choose for a quick $2k. Hell, just come up and bang out a quick 1:18 for a grand and bragging rights then piss off back to New York. It should only take you about an hour and a half to get up here on i95 at 2am.

I have NHMS loudon rented on September 29th. Come up and back up your talentless loudmouth ranting with some action if you are man enough. We will get everylap there to time you and I’ll give you the whole track to yourself for 30 minutes.

(taps foot waiting for pathetic excuse why he can’t come to Loudon, talentless pussy)
Boston’s fastest

Guess Whooo

Sorry dude…cant make September 29th. I have a hair appointment at the beauty parlor

NHMS's backmarker

My money’s on The Butcher. He can turn 1:03s at Loudon on an EX500. And while we are making up whatever we want on the internet: I’ve got a really big penis!

Really?

In Europe (Czech Republic?) at 11:15 at night and all he can think to do is post on this blog?

This guy is just a freakin’ troll….

DocCola

I’ve watched this all unfold silently…but I have one thing to say to skank and his boys…supermotoretard accepted the challenge but you are conveniently in europe for a month or two. Doesn’t sound like the truth to me. To bad though because I will be up at Loudon for my 3rd/4th TDs and I was hoping to see a show. hell, I wouldn’t mind being the one you warm up with before the Butcher puts your feet to the fire. I’ve run that track for two days and I would bet I get around it quicker than you.

Regardless, enjoy your life. I’m not going to worry what you do because thankfully it’s out in shit hole new york. stay there. I just pray that you don’t take out some family on their way home from a vacation early in the morning or something.

The Butcher

A weekend’s worth of business? Sept 29th is a Wednesday, dipshit. I’m only gonna need 15 to 20 minutes of your precious time so my boy can donate your $500 to charity.

Man up, pansies. You touted Expert lap times and called out the trackies as well as the racers. Well, we’re here and now you’re scrambling.

Then again we all know you aren’t gonna be anywhere on Sept 29th ‘cept in mommy’s basement with your weak ass crew playing keyboard jockey.

Check and mate, bitches.

PeteP

This thread rules.

Lojacker

Skank I was supposed to race you a few years back and my bike mysteriously disappeared the night before the run…were u that shook up by my skills that u sent the dogs to my garage? Just searching for the truth…replaced the bike…got the Beemer 1000…and two arms…stay in hiding scumbag!

The Candlestick Maker

I wouldnt sweat these posers too much…one day NYCF will finally get laid and forget all about bikes…250 lbs. on a Zuma…LOL! On second thought….maybe try paying for pussy.

RideOrDie

Wes I been following your site for a minute now and I feel myself growing intellectually from the information passed on through your well versed columns. This started off cool but isnt there bigger news out there to report on. I feel my brain retarding as I read deeper into this blog. Please redeem the site and give us some new real information to digest. I support you guys 100% even when it comes to an interview like this that should have been aborted days ago. We all learn from mistakes…please let this be a learning experience we never have to repeat. Good luck to nycf, skill is not going to help with oil or gravel in the road or animal crossings…big speed like that leaves minimal room for correction. One love fellas. RideOrDie!

Brennan

I have been stuck in the hell hole that is Las Vegas for almost a week now. This thread had been one of a few things that I love to turn to to make me smile.

Please do not stop. Please. I leave on Saturday.

Make it to 300 comments.

Rub a dub dub. Three men in a tub.

Dale Doback

Hey brennan wanna go do karate in the garage??????

http://cohobot.blogspot.com/ coho

Wes & Grant: Congratulations on the massive traffic these NYCFucktards have brought to HFL.
Well done.

supermotoretard

don’t want to disappoint the shit talkers….
look in the mirror…see that spot on your chin….
its for my balls,hairy and sweaty ready for a nice chin bouncing

supermotoretard

wes and grant…wanted to thank you for a nice evening out with you two..
you guys rock..this site rocks..
all these freaks that post here are awesome

GuessWho

Looks like someone else needs to take his GED.
They got upset over your ‘track days are for homos’ comment. I guess the truth hurts. Then they twist up the comment NYCF made saying “they” NYCF are calling racers homos. So, of course I poor some fuel on the fire and all hell breaks loose. LMAO. I couldn’t really give 2 shits about what anyone says,comments on, or thinks. Like I said, picking on retards is fun and you retards make it to damn easy for me not to have fun.
As for the Butcher, I’m sure you’re really fast on the track, I wouldn’t know, I never seen you race, and I could careless. But, I never back down from a challenge. I’m cutting my trip to Germany and Brno short and rebooked my flite and will be flying out of Budapest on the 8th. Send me that info. Or if you can, pick me up from JFK?

GuessWho

Blieve me no one is looking for sympathy. We were drinking, having a good time and talking shit. 4 hours worth!! Lol. Sorry, we got the InterNet “motorcyclist” and “racers” upset. Some comments should have not been said I will agree on that but I guess after someone drinks, 8 or so glasses of Bourdon and a few beers things can get funny and interesting. And it did. Now all these babies are crying over it and we(NYCF) and many others are getting a good laugh over it. I get a kick out of gassing these bitches up. Even if I never replied back not once these sad sorry asses they would sit here among themselves venting,crying,bitching or whatever it is that they do to feel better.
Like I said, these people make it real easy.
I don’t get mad, upset, or catch any type of feelings over this.
I’m guessing Pdumb finally figured it out with my many helpful hints. I guess after the first video was posted a few months ago most of these ass suckers woof uld smarten up.
What you lookin’ at? You all a bunch of fuckin’ assholes. You know why? You don’t have the guts to be what you wanna be? You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin’ fingers and say, “That’s the bad guy.” So… what that make you? Good? You’re not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don’t have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy. There’s a bad guy comin’ through! Better get outta his way! LMAO

Tony Montana

Quoting Scarface now? What a clown. You are entertaining, just not like you think you are.

The Butcher

NHMS Aug 14 and 15 or, if that doesn’t work for your crew, NHMS Sept 29th. You can go to the track’s website to see the schedule and also to see which organization you will need to sign up with for any of the three dates. Not sure what other information you seek since you obviously have internet at mom’s house and can do a search for NHMS’s website.

Your trip will only cost you fuel and tolls……….oh and that $500 of yours which will be going to a charity of some kind when you don’t put up the numbers. After your personal 30 minute open track session, I will be out there, with video, to run circles around you simply for my own amusement and likely much to the delight of many others. If I’m in a good mood that day I’ll try my hardest to not punt you into the weeds up in T9. If I’m in a bad mood…well….I make no promises.

You have no excuse but to show up and gain some REAL respect from your fellow riders (whether you make the numbers or not I will personally acknowledge respect and offer an honest handshake) or don’t show up and look like bitches….and before you play victim remember, you idiots thought you were all big and bad when you decided to call out any rider who doesn’t fit your definition of a rider. What you see going on here and now are the results and ultimate consequences. It’s called “accountability”. Man up buttercup. At least give me the opportunity to show you that I honor my word.

See you bitches at the apex.

1 arm bandit

i think you need a group hug my litle biatch. as for racing with you. LETS ME AND YOU race wide open for 10.000$ cume to nyc i will give ya 3hr, practise or take a all day ty. but after that you will be my litle biatch i will smoke your asssssssssssssss
- RICHLANDRICS
  
  ahhhh yess….. the turn around … called that one.. long before one comment was written to you and you sucka asses.. the challenge is simple.. you guys think you are track superstarz… you guys talked crazy shit about being super starz at the track yet when research was done, nothing could be found to back up your claims. you guys arent as bad as you say. PERIOD. yeah your fast.. in a fairly straight line. again… PERIOD. show us your true talent and have skank show up and pull the times he claimed.. HELL, we even gave him a 5 SECOND BUFFER. skank has the opportunity to walk away with a clean $2500 cold hard cash and all the bragging rights to boot.. you guys arent going to show.. we all know how it will play out.. you’ll all talk the bullshit game like your gonna take us up on our challenge and when the time comes, the date arrives, youll be nowhere to be found. youll be riding around in EXCUSEVILLE. with your tails between your legs.
  
  and dont think your gonna come up and practice cuz believe me, your identities arent as secret as you think.. its amazing what a little digging can find you.. i didnt know “organized crime” involved being part of a bike theft ring… you guys are posers.. talentless posers
  
  I’d LOVE for Wes & Grant to be at the Sept 29th track day at NHMS.. so they can write a rebuttle story about your Pussy friend Skank not showing up to represent NYF..
  
  id title it “New Yorks Lyin’ Ass Posers… The truth and Cop Outs and No Shows of New Yorks “fastest”. “
Uncle Jack

Butcher,
Watch out at turn one at Louden. Skank may try to throw the firefighter into your back rim. An old NYCFastest dirty racing tactic.

GuessWho

Don’t worry I’ll be there. Just make sure you’re there cause if you’re not I’m gonna come looking for ya. Where do you live?

I see you’re up nice and early. From the looks of it you can’t get much sleep because of me. Do you dream about me too? Hope they’re not wet dreams.

amsterdam

Don’t tell ‘m where you live, Butcher!
(They is gonna collect your bike the night before the race)

DocCola

Skank, glad to see you’re stepping up. I wouldn’t worry about the Butcher being there, I have no doubts he will be one of the first people to greet you when (if) you show up at the track. I’m with Butcher on the fact that you will gain a significant amount of respect from me for just showing up to throw down on the track. Just do us a favor, don’t bin it because I don’t want the track getting shut down.

Good luck

El_Diablo

Guess who has to brag about riding his bike fast because he has a small penis

HammSammich

@ Wes & Grant…if your schedules permit, it would sure be fun to see some coverage from the upcoming “grudge-match” at NHMS here on HFL. Good luck to all involved, and ride safe…or ride fast, you’ll get there quicker.

http://cohobot,blogspot.com/ coho

“@ Wes & Grant…if your schedules permit, it would sure be fun to see some coverage from the upcoming “grudge-match” at NHMS here on HFL.”

^That, please.
Oh, yes. That could be quite entertaining. No matter what happens.

Matt Hubbell

You guys need to all go to the Isle of Mann. Here are some lap times of it’s 37 mile road course. This is where Skank and the crew could really show what they have. Not on a track.

ALL TIME FASTEST RIDERS

1
John McGuinness
17.21.99 Time
130.354Mph
209.783Kph
2007Year

2
Guy Martin
17.26.32 Time
129.816 Mph
208.917 Kph
2007Year

RanDryRacer

What would be cool to see is a neutral site.

Like Elkhart Lake Road America !

http://www.xenophya.com Ian

No chance on the IOM. Anyone with the balls can pin it open on the expressway at night. Don’t bundle this lot in with the real pros.

Watch the above video, then watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVXc29ZgutI

Liquidogged

Wes and Grant, PLEASE be there to record this challenge.

Skank and Butcher, if you both show up you both have my respect and probably everyone else’s too. May the fastest win.

This thread is full of rad.

RICHLANDRICS

butcher will be there. not just to show up skank if he shows..
- Im your KING
  
  I JUST spoke to SCOTT LIAN i will BE THERE THE 29TH. so i can smoke your body butcher, and than make him my liltle fruitcake.lol
The Butcher

There is no “if” with me. Mark my words, I will be at NHMS August 14th and 15th as well as September 29th. Whether Stank or his cronies are present doesn’t matter. You can rest assured I’ll be there regardless. It’s just an added bonus if these hambones do show up.

Glad to see New York’s Fattest accepting……it only took 3 full days before you realized you back yourselves into a corner and there’s no getting out. ROFL

RICHLANDRICS

i’ll be there too .. your no king but to the dreams of having talent. and to be quite honest.. you show, much respect off the bat. theres no doubt your fast on the highways.. now we’ll see where you stand when TALENT is needed and balls and stupidity take a distant second and third..

GuessWho

No talent? LMAO. You did the research and have to at least admit and give me some credit. 2 weekends of racing, first time on any race track in my life and I was doing 17.3′s while lapping the second grid of what? 30 something plus racers? A couple of more races and a better setup, I’d be in the 15′s easy, maybe faster, probably would of did it then if there were no lap traffic in my way.
Now if you say thats not impressive and zero talent for a 280lbs with gear rider on a bone stock 2001 Gixxer 600 you’re just full of shit. Come on, give me that much.
No, I’m not the man on the track but I am far from slow.
Here’s my email 081000rr@gmail.com..Richballlicker and Mr.Butcher contact me so when I get there I dont have to scream out for the trackday homos. Thats my contact info now lets see if any of you have the balls to use it. Im not driving up to NH to get jerked off. You want this to happen? I do!! And you better bring more then $2500 I like said before cause my crew is coming and Im bringing a little a friend and its not a 1000RR. Im going to get 30 mins on the track to myself right? If I did low 17s on a stock 600 with in a total of 20 mins of rack time in traffic, Im sure Ill do a lot better on my boys AMA spec supersport. Butcher, the calls are made, the bike is mine, now all you have to do is contact me and give me some contact info. And bring $6000.

pdub

Wanna bet the excuse to not show up will be that no one’s offering him the asking $6k to back up what his mouth got him into?

Mr. Bo Jangles

I dunno, maybe it’s an American thing to fuck up a perfectly good deal. Riding fast is cool. I look at when the Ghost rider videos were posted and how he taunted police endlessly. The mystique of who he was, never hearing a word, never seeing a face. It put him in Superhero status on YouTube. So what happens in the US? We get some guys who can do some blazing runs at night no less and while we don’t see them rise to the status of Ghost Rider, they become self-proclaimed Kings of the Parkway. They taunt the on-line bike community with put downs on being retarded, pussies, fuck sticks etc and tag it all with “don’t be a hater”. I mean how fucking assbackwards is that? Don’t be a hater, yet we (NYF) will spew hate to anyone that owns a bike who does not pin the throttle going to the corner store for cigs. You can’t claim honors where no honor is shown. On the YouTube comments things are more acceptable. With respect given and replies of thanks, but on this HFL deal it just seems like all that went out the window in place of egotistical self righteousness and to hell with anyone who disagrees, after all they are just haters. I dont think anyone here envisioned such a shit storm over a video. The video is just that moment in time, what happened after the video is how the shit storm came to be.

I hope you guys can get together and have a cool track day and everyone comes away with respect. It will be like a fuckin Catalina Wine Mixer!

Dale doback

Hey bo jangles Do you wanna do karate in the paddock??? Did we just become best friends??? My company prestige world wide wants to write a check for ten thousand dollars to skank and the butcher to star in my new video BIKES AND HOES!!!!!

The Butcher

Hey Stank, just make sure you’re there on your borrowed equipment. I have nothing I feel the need to say to you so save the e-mail but please don’t forget that 5-hundy. See you in September. That is all.

Crazy Moose

Supermotoretard,
You want money? Contact Dale Doughback. Prestiege Worldwide Worldwide Worldwide is writing a check for $10,000 to be in their new video titled BIKES AND HOES.

supermotoretard

nah don’t want the dough from doughback..just bustin chops,i am bringing a bottle of Kentuckies finest Bourbon on the 29th.. this is one hell of a ride for a 9 minute clip,amazing how fast panties get into a bunch and wedged in the arse,would be amazing to see some of you on the street,the video does no justice,half of you think the road is straight,the other half think we have big sprockets,and the brains to fool gps,after all we are only morons with half brains and so on.are any of you local??really come out with us and get a whiff,than i would respect your opinion a lil more,it’s easy to point the finger,
the northern state is not straight(god bless robert mosses),the southern state is not straight,,the wantagh by jones beach is treacherous to say the least,,,when we come to louden,will anyone return the favor and come with us..?
- Crazy Moose
  
  Supermotoretard
  I been out on them roads with the Skank once or twice…too fast for me. Im not going to go out and sell my dinosaur because I pull in three minutes later nor am I going to ride beyond the point of control to be the fastest…point here is THEY are good at what THEY do. And that doesnt happen overnight. They aint rigging gps or manipulating digital imagery…they are simply fassst. Give props when due…sure these characters are rough around the edges but if you want to see a bike go from point A to point B at unheard of mph…call these guys to pilot that machine…going fast is what they do and thanks to the internet they can share that with the world. Yes, we could have enjoyed the video and gave them their credit without any of this hate war going on IF the sarcasm wasnt initially set into motion by NYCFastest. A text book case of you get what you give. All these posts…mostly negative bullshit…NYCFastest has a unique skill that speaks volumes on its own. You dont need to talk shit to claim a title. In two decades lightin up them highways parkways expressways dont you think if there was a faster cat you would have met him by now? If this is rec for you…by all means proceed. If youre on this thread and want to claim the title of NYCFastest you can start by posting a link for your video. Im not driving to New Hampshire.

Richlandrics

Now you change to 17s. What happened to the 13s.?? Oh how stories change as they go along. Bringing your little friend? Is she cute? Ohhhh I get. Your a tuffy. The claim was you did 1:13s your first day out a track on a “mostly stock 600″. That’s what you should be bringing. A “mostly stock 600″. Now your fat ass needs an AMA spec bike. LMAO!!! Back peddle, back peddle. and now you wont show for less than $6k??!! The challenge has been set before you Christos…. Oops I mean Skank. Come up and run 18s and walk away with $1000. Do 15s and there is another $1500 for you to cushion your ass home. If you suddnely gets da flu and cant make it then i guess the truth shall set you free. The truth about new yorks slowest. The race between you and Butcher is between you two. Its put up or shut up time. Simple as that!! New yorks fastest. At what? Bullshitting people?? I pray to GOD the guys from this blog site cover this. Cuz it will be an EPIC FAIL FOR THE AGES!!!!!

GuessWho

I never said 13′s. Just like I never “originally” said racers or trackday guys are homos. But morons like you just twist it all up in your internet rage.
And I’m still waiting for my email.
This is how it works. Ususally when we are setting up a race we are at a location talking face to face and phone #’s are exchanged to make sure the time, place, and whomever is racing is ready when the time comes. In this case I gave my email cause this race is not taking place til the end of Sept.
Is the bike I’m going to be using a issue? When we race for $ any bike can be used. It’s a race with no real rules.
Like I said, I’m not missing a weekends worth the business, driving and trailing a borrowed bike to NH with a group of “thugs” for a no show.
My email is right here 081000RR@GMAIL.COM. I ready to put up and shut up so email me when you’re ready, we’ll talk and get everything in order. But, the little Butcher has no fucking back bone to at least contect me and put everything in place. He just wants to sit behind his keyboard and talk shit. And $500? we are running for 6g’s. $500? thats fucking pocket change. Bring real money homegirl. We are going to make this worth my time.
If you can’t email me I’ll just take that as a pussy copout. Fag. Man up, email me, and lets get things in order.
Richdicklicker, you stated this was between me and Butcher. So, why don’t you shut the fuck already. You’re just another internet asshole that can’t speak for yourself. You ride or race? I’d be then happy to hand you your ass too.
Also, I’m getting that 30 minutes of open track that was oginally said right?
My email is right there. Use it. Or give me your email and I’ll email you. Or!!! send me a message on YouTube.
Funny how you fucking clowns tried to pull my bluff and try to make me look like a fraud. Lol. Look’s like the tables turned. I got the money, the bike, and the balls to put this Butcher bitch in his place. My email is rigth there. I’m waiting bitch. And I know since this is not going to happen til the end of Sept, you’re just hoping it all gets forgotten about. That’s the reason for the email exchange. I just want to make sure your little punk ass will show with my money. But, I guess we can just go back and forth on HFL for another 7 weeks. Or I can just go there and hope you’re there cause your word is worth taking. Lol. Put up or shut up!! I’m waiting for that email. Come to think of it you couldnt even email me the times and dates of the event, you told me to look it up myself. That doesn’ sound like a man that want’s to race. Shit, if I was doing all your talk I would of emailed and sent whomever all the info needed to wipe his ass but you didn’t, that’s a sign of weakness, fear, and bullshit. Homo, you don’t have the rights to put yourselve on a real mans level. keep taling shit and hiding. My email box is still empty.
How come no one is telling there internet hero Butcher Bitch to email me? You’re all a bunch of cowards.

Steve516

What these two tools just don’t understand is something very basic. Like it our not, we are all part of the same community. Like it or not, we are often judged not by the average actions and abilities of the community, but by the actions of one or two extreme persons in the community. Such judgement places the burden of responsibility on all of us for the actions of the few. One rotten apple can spoil the whole bunch as the saying goes. It’s a shame, because perhaps they could have benefited somehow from being a part of the community. And perhaps the community might have benefited as well. Sadly, motorcyclists are outlaws from the beginning, challenging death, social norms, and more with every ride. The actions of these two tools just serve to push our community further to the fringe. It gives “regular” society just one more excuse to penalize us for our choice of transportation, sport, hobby. As if all the random police stops around NYC were not bad enough already. Now I know why they pull over every sport bike and let all the choppers and cruisers slide by.

Good luck and godspeed to you both. Hope that you ride a long way with your attitudes.

Old School

Wow! This is certainly some an interesting article and the comments have turned sheer crazy. Be it as it may, some things should be set straight by an old timer such as myself.
First, I’m old, yeah I said it and was racing the streets when many of you were in diapers and your mommies were wiping the snot from your noses. In a time where if you got caught past a certain street after dark, the Black Panthers were beating your ass and taking your bike. In a time when you went to the races not to hang out and talk about youtube videos, but when you raced head to head on the street for large amounts of money. I’ve earned my street cred by racing more times than most.
Second, yes, Skank and his boys sound like a bunch of meatheads. (possible retardation) They remind me of cavemen and it’s pretty damn funny to hear them talk. However, the facts are the facts. These guys put up some impressive videos and have been doing this for a long time. If you like the video, sound kudos, if not, there is no reason for disrespect.
And last, screaming challenges and throwing money numbers around would have gotten you an ass beating during my time. If you wanted to race you needed to be a serious contender and Respectful. The rules always have been if you are going to challenge the home team, you go to the home teams turf. So Butcher, I’m old, grumpy, my colon doesnt work as good as it used to and my ex wife cleaned my bank account. I can cope with all that, but you are really fu*king annoying. Stop crying about the track this and that. These guys posted fast highway videos. Let’s see what you can do. If you can’t, then you need to chill out or I’ll be calling you a pussy too.

Old School (Running 8.50s in a quarter on 1 wheel giving you little punks the finger)

Liquidogged

Old School – first off, I tip my hat to you and your years of riding. You made it this long and that says something by itself. I get that challenges should be respectful, but don’t forget that it’s Skank and his crew that brought the disrespect to the table in the first place. Specifically, the “trackdays are for homos” comment in the article. I take it you did more street racing than track racing in your day. What if someone had come along and told you street racing is for homos? Would that have been something that deserved your respect?

And anyways, racing on the street is like fighting on the street. People can talk till they’re blue in the face about how REAL it is, and how tough it is, and so on, but there’s a reason that the best fights are in the ring – and it’s the same reason the best races are on a track. Removing all the bullshit variables – cops, that little spot of gravel, a patch of oil, a mini-van full of kids – allows us to get a much closer look at the actual talents of a rider. Sure, there is a kind of talent required for the highway runs, but it’s not quantifiable. The track is. The ring is. When you are on the track, when you are on the ring, it’s just you and the other guy(s). Full disclosure: I’ve never been on a track. But I have been in the ring. Seems very similar to me. And time and time again, I’ve seen supposedly tough motherfuckers who hold up in the ring about as long as ice cream on a hot day.

As far as I see it, Skank’s trackdays are for homos statement is a huge insult to those riders who invest a lot of money and a lot of time perfecting their skill at something that is extraordinarily difficult. If I was a hardcore track rider I’d be pissed too, and I would definitely want to challenge. Same as if someone told me that I was a pussy for only wanting to fight in the ring. I’d tell that asswipe to stop fighting in the street like a savage and step into the ring to fight like a man.
1 ARM BANDIT

I think the a.k.a buthcher pendeho need to race me for 10.000$ my turf he like to talk shit lets get going bananas you lil biatch. o just so you know i will smoke your fagot assssss so be a man and take the chalenge you litle biatch.
supermotoretard

old school is the man..
i have never seen such b.s. in my life.been street racing for decades,drag racing,bike drag racing..been on the track,ccs stuff.ihave always
raced with gentlemen,this is exactly what trackdays breed,self proclaimed speed,yes there we as some shit talking,but this is too much,the bitcher challenged.and also want’s home track,now says he can’t come up with the money,for sure the very least he loses credibility.
if not a lil smackdown,do i want to enter this conversation,as i know i will be called illiterate and a caveman,but street money racing ,match racing i have seen my whole life.and this is not the way it happens.i will be there on the 29th,i will be coming myself,i will drag my bike there for a track day(vommit) just to see you half men in person.really a trackday?? if you could only get a load of yourselfs..

and grive…find another blog,your input to me,means nothing,
- Liquidogged
  
  You’re right, this isn’t the way street races happen, because it’s not a street race.
  
  Fuck money. Fuck tough guy nonsense. Fuck distractions. And frankly, fuck a street race.
  
  I want lap times. I want numbers. I want verification that the guy who insulted a huge part of the motorcycling community is as fast as he thinks he is. (Though he’d still be an asshole even if he was the fastest guy on the planet.) Until I see the proof, Skank is a useless, blathering sack of shit who apparently does more typing than riding. And I’m not the only one who feels this way.
  
  Done.
  - supermotoretard
    
    you say fuck alot of things,,,your funny,riding fast on the street i what this whole thing is about,but you say fuck it,,, wtf are you yapping about? like you said we will always be assholes,so go ride your full dresser vulcan on the dragons tail,or something… funny how you dismiss the very topic of this whole rant…what do you do?,what do you bring to this table..you lil cup of gas,your worthless two cent’s,.hope your there the 29th,i will pour you a glass of bourbon.
    - Liquidogged
      
      Bwhahahaha full dresser vulcan
      
      Well you’re wrong on pretty much all counts but that’s ok. Wish I could be there on the 29th, I’d take you up on that bourbon. Have fun at the race!
  - Brian Zooom
    
    “…I want verification that the guy who insulted a huge part of the motorcycling community is as fast as he thinks he is….”
    
    ummm…actually, the sport biking segment of the motorcycle community is actually a minority and the track going, speed pushing, limit finding, balls to the wall segment of those riders (whether street or track oriented) are actually just a smaller cross section yet. Thanks for defending, but just pointing out the fact that it isn’t a “huge” part of the community he was “insulting”, just a somewhat more directly attuned to what is going around in all portions of the world cross section of it.
- Grive
  
  Then… don’t whine like a little emo girl about people not understanding you, and why there’s no solidarity?

Old School

*Forgot to Add – * Stay off my lawn! Now you can all get back to your internet fighting.

The Butcher

E-mail you for what? Nothing needs to be said. The fact that I and a few others had to all but put it in Braille for your bind ass to figure out when and where this will happen shows me that I’d be pissing in the wind with e-mail exchanges. Also the fact that you are a bike-stealing bitch puts me even further away from contacting you directly. Unlike you and your cronies, I’ve worked for everything I have and I’ll be damned if I’m gonna risk any of it by providing you any personal information. Alls you have to do is show up and ask for me. People will point you in the right direction.
This was never about money for me. I just want the satisfaction of showing you what true dedication to riding and race craft yeilds. I’m bringing zero dollars and 100% skill. You talked a big game and now there a few willing to step up and see this happen. I imagine that since I’m not doing this for money, rather for pure satisfaction, that is your “out”. You obviously have some concern since you felt the need to go steal….I mean “borrow” a bike rather than use your own. Whatcha have to worry about? Can’t those 1000′s hang with a measly 600?

–Old School – Listen to Liquidogged and Mr Bo Jangles. They know exactly what time it is. Fact is this fool talked a big show and now they have the attention of trackies and racers who would love to see the results of their bullshit…..but since no one is briging 6k or 10k, that is going to be the excuse…..or was it Europe? I forget.

…and for you dolts who think it’s just me signing up for this, don’t kid yourselves. There are others who will be in attendance. Oh what, you thought other racers and trackies haven’t caught wind of this?

I’m done. Say whatever you want after this. You know where and when.

GuessWho

It’s clear you dont know how this works, you never been in this situation. Like I said before and I’ll say it again. I’m not losing a weekend worth the business for your weak ass challenge.
If I’m going to lose money with work I’m going to have to make it up by bitch slapping you around the track. You and all your little bitches talking about put up or shut up, now you don’t want to put it up. You say it’s not about money?What’s your comment about giving you $500 if money is not the issue?
It’s clear you’re a little pussy and can’t man up.
You want to show all these little cowards how bad you are, how much shit you can talk, and yet you’re scared to contact me and make this thing real, set it up, make sure we are both going to show up. Yeah, I know the time and place but there’s a lot more that needs to be done before this happens. If I’m making preparations to drive 440 miles round trip, using a firends R6, closing down shop, and towing 20 “thugs” up there to watch me fuck you up, then yes, I need reassurance your little punkass is going to be there. What you scared of? Go to Google and make a email account. Simple, then email me and when it get’s close to the 29th I’ll contact you, make sure you’re not hiding under your bed, make sure you got all the money together, and then I’ll make my way up to NH and fuck you up.
Here’s something else. For me it’s all about the money. I have little bitches like you that talk shit all the time and want a free lesson. My time is not worthless. Put your money where your mouth is. For me 6g’s is a joke. Do you need a personal loan? After I fuck you up you can work it off if you can’t come up with it. And 6g’s is nothing, I was low balling you. Maybe these little bitches can have a fund raiser for you. Also, there’s usually a 20% amount put up as punk out money. But we’ll forget about that.
You got me email, contact me when you’re ready.
Fucking homos like you are a dime a dozen, all fucking talk.
We got about 7 weeks for you to grow some balls. I’ll be waiting.
For the record since you homos let your hate and internet rage get in the way of your thought process, I’m not the one that made the challenge or the racing for money idea. But I’ll be more then happy to take it all.
You got the email pussy, don’t let the fear of me stop you. I can be a really nice guy if you got to know me. Lol.
Trojanhorse

Butcher, I’ll buy you a beer if we ever meet face to face. Skank & his bitches have become the laughing stock of actual skilled riders on both coasts now.
I hope you toss him in the fucking weeds just like he tossed salads in the joint.

Boyo

Yeah GuessWho, why are you making this thing about money? Just go and race so we can be sure you’re a bad guy, even if a homophobic illiterate bad guy.

dave hargreaves

yawn

pdub

Taking a coffee break from my sad little life to check back in on the latest episode of “Short bus kids on fast bikes”. This is still hilarious.

Just setting some facts straight here because the narrative is getting a little lost on some.

Quotes from the challenged:

“Im a exracer. I owned the track and every wannabe fast guy on it. The track is for pussies”

“I was pulling low 1.13′s at Loudon on a pretty much stock 600.”

“I’ll destroy any fucking one of you on or off the track.”

“You stupid fucks, I’ll get on a track and I’ll fucking smoke you.”

“I did expert lap times my first weekend out on a stock 600.”

As far as what’s been presented the track guys are calling bullshit on this and presenting the opportunity for the challenged to prove otherwise. The only twisting going on is the challenged trying to twist his way out of it.
To be fair though, hauling 4+ hours north to back up his boasts without any assurances other than a blog comments posting that he will be comp’ed the track fees then it sounds like it could also be a setup for a snipe hunt. I don’t see though how a personal email or chit chat makes any difference in confirming things any more than what’s been said here on a public forum. Boston Moto looks like a bona fide outfit. They’re on the track schedule and have a legit support website where you can register and purchase for the particular day. To make this real instead of just a bunch of shit talking NYF should state what date he will be there and Boston Moto can send/email him his issued registered entry confirmation. No other personal info need be exchanged.
Continue.

pdub

More fact ironing. The challenge wasn’t about a money bet. That was added as sweetening. This was about NYCF’s throttle hand backing up his mouth. As you like to say, PERIOD. It’s not about a payday it’s about your honor and proving that your words are worth more than what comes out the backside of a dog, internet or otherwise.

Now I’m sure NYCF are going to answer this or me with some sort of schoolyard passa passa but that would just be skirting the issue. If NYCF goes up there and smokes the track guys I’ll be the first to say he’s the real deal. If he goes and gets left in the weeds then at least he put himself up to the test which is honorable in itself. If he flapjacks his mouth around here with a credible offer on the table and doesn’t show out of whatever lame excuse can be conjured up between now and then well, we can individually come up with out own names for that.

NHMS's backmarker

This has gotten so lame. How about eleventy bagellion dollars? You can work part time at the 7/11 to come up with that. Maybe if I talk like a real hardass I will get everyone to take me seriously?

Pathetic.

RICHLANDRICS

dear Christos aka: Skank, aka: guess who

an email has been sent to you as you requested..

for the rest of you, this is what it reads.

Christos, (Skank)
So heres my email.. now you know i’m legit.. heres what the Challenge is, you show up on the 29th and post a sub 1:18 and you walk away with $1k… if you come up and post a sub 1:15 lap time. then you get anoth $1500.. equalling a total of $2500. If you however Can not post a sub 1:18 lap time you will PAY $500 to Boston Moto to be distributed to a CHARITY of they’re choice…

as far as the “race ” between you and “butcher”, thats between you and he.. for bragging rights.you say your the baddest, fastest around.. you are Extremely fast.. on the highway.. something i give you much respect over..

ive done the flat out thing… when i was 25.. ive grown up now and dont feel i have anything to prove. to you or your cronies..

the fact is that the challenge is here, right in front of your face. its a simple take it or leave it. show up or shut up.. you made claims to the motorcycling community that, well we dont think you can back it up. you havent been called out by just me or “bostons fastest” or “butcher”…… youve been called out by the ENTIRE MOTORCYCLING COMMUNITY.. it even appears its become a world-wide specticle as of now.

if you show up, i’ll greet you with a smile and a handshake brotha, cuz just showing up will have earned my respect..

seems to me it a simple Show Up or Shut Up…

sincerely, RICHLANDRICS

so there it is Skank. you got what you wanted.. now the balls in your court..

GuessWho

Pdumb, all the above is correct and very true except the low 13′s, Never said that. But, again I’m glad you have the time during your “coffe break” to do more research. Just admit it, you’re a lame ass loser with nothing better to do except research and look me up all over the Net. Are you the president of my hater fan club?

All the talk is worthless, my email is up there for anyone of you to contact me and set your track or street spacking. Posting your bullshit on HFL is a waste of my time.

Butcher Bitch, you want a piece of me? Just have the money or most of it and contact me some time before Sept 29th.

Now, I will throw in the towel with the post war and just read what all you bitches have to cry about. Remember, and make sure to keep this in mind before you continue to talk shit..My email is here for anyone of you to use. I will run, race, or just slap the taste out of your mouth as long as you’re willing to put up the cash. Now, like the rest of you fucking assholes say “Grant,Wes, I hope you’re reading this, I hope you can come and watch NYC Fastest slap some bitched around” Lol. Now you can reply like good dogs and email me whenever your ready for some.

Have a good day and don’t lose to much sleep over us.

Pssssssss, helloooooo, use the email address.

Richlandrics

Skank. You have been emailed.

Put up, show up or shut up.

In case your email mysteriously doesn’t work now , I copied and pasted it a couple posts up. So now I guess you need to be emailing me. I’m waaaaiiiittttiiing

GuessWho

Rich, you are the only one over here with balls.
email replied.
Thanks.

Over and out.

PizzaGarden

CAN I GET A SLICE 2 GO?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Richlandrics

And much respect with your reply. Nothing personal taken as well bro. Hope to see you the 29th.

gassit

Skank, on May 12 you said “I was pulling low 1.13′s at Loudon on a pretty much stock 600.” The link to that post is here.

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/05/bmw-s1000rr-long-island-expres.html#comment-157033

You never said 13′s ??

GuessWho

That’s a typo. I ment to say 11′s.

GuessWho

Wait a minute Mr.Motoretard, I think I remember this story. Did you bust up a whole bunch of track day super stars on your moto and they came up to you asking you how you got some much faster from last year? I believe your answer was ‘if I tell you you wouldnt understand’? and then you finally said ‘the skank school of speed’? or something like that?

supermotoretard

grive really..go back to sleep..
i don’t wine,what is your problem?
no one asked you,no one cares what you say,
insignificant to all.

GuessWho

I go to Belgium for a day and this is all I come back to read? WTF!! Where are all the negative and hate comments I love ready and replying to?
You people are starting to bore me.

Snapple Boy

I break heads like I break snapple bottles!!!!!!

Emmet

Hey GuessWho,

If $6,000 is pocket change to you, why not afford a dictionary, or a computer with spellcheck? Or a middle school education for that matter?

The Butcher

If a trackday doesn’t work for you idiots there are still a couple solid race weekends left at LRRS. If NHMS doesn’t seem like a fair venue (since I’m there only 10 to 14 times a year) then we have VIR, NJMP, Pononos, Grattan…hell, we can even take this across the boarder to Calabogie….any track of your choosing? I’m happily offering this on my dime just to prove a point. Otherwise, make no mistake, you know where I’ll be and when. I think anyone who reads my words knows this as well.

…and Stank, when you have real money it stays in a place where other people can monitor it…much as it sucks, it’s the truth. That said, how am I supposed to explain to my financial person a withdrawal for $6000 followed by a deposit for $12,000? Uncle Sam wouldn’t be too pleased with that either. However I do enjoy the way you guys love to throw numbers around like it’s going to intimidate myself or others. What sucks for you is, I’m not going away until September 29th, 2010.

Trojanhorse – They really have no idea what they’ve signed up for and that’s the best part! lol

I’ll check back in with you folks in a couple weeks. Keep this topic on ‘marinate’ for now.

supermotoretard

did you fall asleep and someone woke you up
i will run you for anything you want on pocono east..use any bike you want..really i thought you realized how much of a bufoon you were and came to your senses..now its you making the claims..ok
name the amount,pocono east,i wreck you on a single… mr Bitcher
supermotoretard

i still hear nothing of you wanting to do a real run on the street..since its so easy..you can make an example of us at our spot…we are coming to meet you,coming out of our comfort zone to meet you at your home track,its only fair,,but you don’t do fair do you..you need those chips in your corner,your heart gets all pumpin up when your writing your little remarks,you really feel like your defending someones honor,the reality is you are scared,scared of what we do,it threatens your manhood,well we will be there,i know people like you,your heart is scared so you cover it with big talk.
i also remember you saying something about punting us off turn nine,,if your in a good mood or some nonsense.i know many fast men,none of them talk like that.

MichiganMachete

Surprised to see Gratten mentioned. Hope this race takes place there so I can go. Grand Rapids Michigan here.

Brian Zooom

to The Butcher

“..how am I supposed to explain a $6k withdrawal and then a $12k deposit?…”

Vegas or Atlantic City?!?!?

To MichiganMachete

Grattan would be great just to see the action in the teacup and bus stop.

NHMS's Backmarker

The Butcher,

You can always give me the other $6000. You know I need a new bike. It’s a win/win situation for both of us. No IRS forms to fill out. ;)

GuessWho

Butcher, money is no option. I have plenty of cash stashed away from selling all them stole bikes and parts.
Maybe you can ask your mommy to co-sign a loan for you.
Richlandric emailed me, got his phone # too. Working out the details with him right now. Where’s your email? I’m still waiting little man.LMAO. Coward!!

Jonny5

if the owners of this blog were smart (which I’m sure they are), they’d close the comment thread here and get to the bottom of the track day challenge and post the arrangement in a new post. Arrange the track rental, video it, sell tickets, whatever. Time to lasso all this bullshit into a real story.

supermotoretard

they will never ever ever run us for real..
these small little people have no testicle pouch,and nothing to put in them if they did….

Emmet

Why not do two challenges, a trackday and a midnight run?

jagaloon

This race is fucking bullshit! On planet I dont give a fuck in the galaxy of I suck camel dick. What happened to racing at the track at midnight, no lights and backwards? For $10,000…Premier Worldwide is writing the check…are you down players? Then shut the fuck up!

MiddleMan

If there was a starting line, a finish line, flag man, coverage on Speed, and no cars on the road I’m sure no one would be talking all this crap. Give these guys some credit and respect. They’re doing something you don’t see everyday. Yes, some people can go WOT on a straight for a second or two but these guys are WOT for over 9 minutes hitting them sweepers like holy shit. Not to many people have can say they ride like these guys. And like MotoRetard said in that article:’they can’t admit to themselves that they are slow and in their minds there has to be a answer for that and that answer is,’you guys are fucking crazy”. No, I don’t think these guys are crazy, I’ve watched every video and I can honestly say and admit to myself that these guys have skill and of course giant size balls. There Total Darkness video is insane. To say ‘anyone can ride like this’, ‘these guys have no skill’, or ‘I can do that,’ is simply ridiculous.
I believe most of you guys wish you can get some notoriety, had the skill and never to do what these guys do, and hate the fact that a online mag like HellForLeathers took time to sit, chat, take photos and post it on their site. Burns you guys up. It’s obvious from all your replies.
I will say it again that a few comments shouldn’t have been made or printed like the “track days are for homos” but it was and I didn’t lose any respect for these riders for it. I do some track days and I know I’m not a homo so why get upset over it?

supermotoretard

well said… and truthful.and much appreciated.

MiddleMan

From what I am reading only one person over here had the nerves to e-mail this guy so what make us believe you are going to have the nerves to call or go to his place of residence when you get that information?
Anyone who rides a Kawasaki and calls it a “ninja bike” deserves to have to stolen.
How about a greasy spoon or a house cow in a single?

BuckwildNYC R1

When I ride at normal, law abiding speeds, my life is in more danger from drivers texting or on the phone, drunks and druggies, people late for fuckin work or anything, ignorance, plain disregard for others or just haters of the motorcyclists, then when I ride like my boyz in the vid…I say to all the bloggers out there with negative opinions are nothing but hypocrites unless they NEVER broke ANY driving laws. If you reply you never did, I apologize to you, either a grandma or grandpa…This is good journalism, its a good story…if it wasn’t…why waste the time to post anything? In a world of cut off or be cut off, I’ll do the cutting off. Fuck all you haters out there for riders just tryin to get some piece of mind, or whatever we get from ridin like this….

scotth

they should be new york’s douchiest. hey look, i can turn the throttle to the stop and shift 6 times on a 50′ wide highway. and one of the bigger douches says in the article, “i don’t do track days. they’re for homos. blah blah blah recipe for disaster.” that makes no sense. if you’re scared to go on the track or can’t figure out how to lean your mototcycle, just admit it. c’mon HFL, i like u guys, don’t douche up a good thing!

supermotoretard

wow still more of you guys that don’t get it…said it before and will say it again…track days are for balless h.o. to the m.o’s.. i know guys that do it for years..its half stepping,set your bike up,drag it to the track,pay money…and don’t race,i don’t get it,,,nobody is on pace,idiots following idiots,unfocused collection of misfits.. i have raced..lrrs series..when men were men,when bridgehampton was in the mix…been to daytona roc, and have done a couple trackdays,or crashfests,i have a bike in my shop right now that is wrecked because the trackday mechanic fitted his bike with regular michelin powers,,,wrecked for nothing.. really sorry to attack your comfort zone,must be easy to go to the track with no truth,no transponders,no white flag,,and no checkered flag..i mean really why would you???? you have a nice divot in your chin for my balls to rest.. who is next???

CitySlicker

Scotth, you’re a douch bag. This article is great. Why stay with the same boring stuff? I like how HFL swiches things up once and a while. And if it is so easy to hold WOT at night for as long as these guy do I’d like to see the videos. Scotth and the rest of the negative people over here that claim it’s so easy and anyone could do it, us readers would love to see your videos. Aaaah, wait, it’s not so easy and you don’t have any videos to show us. Lmao at you assholes.

Justaname

These NYCF fellas talk a good game. They pick and choose really well too. Enough talk… It was established that some claims were made that weren’t true. I’m talking lap times. NYCF say they can ride track maybe even race. Simple. Trackdays were disrespected by NYCF. For the comments made they should put up or shut up.

A simple challenge was offered. Take it or leave it. It was even stated that the venue can be changed to a neutral location. Seems fair to me. That challenge seems to have been accepted. We have yet to see if anyone affiliated with NYCF shows up.

NYCF offered a challenge to the butcher on the streets. It was not accepted. This is how it plays out. Two challenges were made for individuals to either accept or reject. One was accepted and one was rejected. That is plain and simple.. that is all that matters at this point.

Now, NYCF stop talking. You keep coming up with lame stuff. Remember your line, “all talk and no action.” You can’t control whether or not the butcher wants a run on your highways. You did commit to a track though (don’t flake and if you do just say it now… enough facade) I think you owe it to track goers to put up or shut up. Big claims (talk) require even louder facts (actions). Prove it. That is the only thing that can silence critics.

Brian Zooom

is this how GuessWho teaches someone to go fast?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1OtVsIF3NA

and is this how he does a track day?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jj4ftAuFyg&feature=search

The Butcher

Plain and simple, my bikes don’t do 199 mph nor are they street bikes. When does it become smart to set myself up for something I know isn’t going to pan out….especially when I’m knowingly down at least 80hp? Unless someone offers me a machine that can put up bigger numbers, a street race isn’t in the cards for me.

The people who think there is true riding skills involved with the type of riding these guys promote, you have some learning to do. It’s a yawn-fest! I don’t need to prove my mettle by telling stories but I want to give some of you an idea of where I’m coming from…..years ago I rode with a select group who’d spend entire days riding at full pace. I’m talking about logging no-less-than 250 miles at a time, all on curvy, two-lane roads, meeting, and many times exceeding, our comfort levels. Days where 80 miles to a tank was considered good fuel mileage. This is much different than riding 20 miles or so on some 4-lane stretch of hiway on Long Island while holding the grip to the pins.

I say this because there are riders who are much more skilled and capable than these fools. Problem is, you don’t hear about them because those riders don’t feel the need to shit where they sleep, if you know what I mean.

Night Hawk

Big fuckin deal! You bitches get excited about nothin. If there are soccer moms and old ladys cruising them highways at 3 in the morning they were up to no good anyway.The only “what if” that there is a strong possibility to consider are the drunk drivers going home at 3am and crossing your line…thats the same drunk killin the soccer mom and the old lady…now go bitch and blog about drunks and “what ifs” ya bunch of assholes!

GuessWho

Butcher Bitch, tell you what!! If it’s so fucking easy and anyone can do IT, why dont you or anyone of your so-called “select group” riders come and show us how easy it is. I will give anyone of them $6000 cash in hand if they can see my tail light with in the first 3 miles of the run. If you or whomever cant keep up you wont have to pay one penny. It will cost you or whomever NOTHING. Come on big mouth email me and lets do it. $6000 cash!! You got nothing to lose and $6000 to gain. Grant or Wes can hold the money and if you or whomever can just see my tail light you get paid!!
I love it when a little fucking track homo claims what we do is so easy and anyone can hold IT wide open. I will make you eat those fuckin words and show you how easy IT is. Again, 6 fuckin big ones if you can just see my tail light. This challenge goes to you or anyone of you Internet, track day, or racer homos. I will destroy anyone who wants to try me.

Justaname

Sounds like Guesswho backed down from the challenge. You take it, then you don’t? Garbage.

NativesMC

Why is Supermotoretard no longer with NYF?

supermotoretard

my balls are too large,

The Butcher

Hey dummy, read the first sentence of my previous post. My 600 won’t top out like your 1000 will……hell, even your keyboard is faster than mine. LOL

Listen Spanky, I’m gonna level with you, you are talking a whole lot of bullshit to a seasoned motorcyclist. You have zero intention of making good on your word and by now everyone knows this. You have never run teens at Loudon, you don’t have a buddy with an AMA bike and you certainly have never ridden at the brink of traction for hours on end. My suggestion? Save face and just stop.

supermotoretard

how can i get confirmation that when i come on the 29th i will be allowed to ride?.no threats but if i haul my junk all the way there and not allowed i ride i will be upset.. i thought we were done talking shit. bitcher,i will let you use my rr to race guess who,its fully tuned penske shock done by p.k.,and 20 mm kitted forks done by mike at ohlins…yes the real deal mike. n-tecs 200-55 rear,rearsets,and marchesini rims..now you can shush about not having the power..i will do you one better..i let you use my rr and i will use you lil600 and show you how fake this is…

i will be there the 29th,already took the 28th and 29th off,just need to know i am welcome,to all the other”its so easy” herbs you are right it is easy…for us.

The Butcher

motoretard – you will have to take your question up with the hosting organization as I’m merely an attending rider. I hope you understand my issue isn’t with you and has never been, it’s your buddy Spanky with his piss poor approach and outlook toward other riders….which is, afterall, how we got to this point. I will certainly ride with you as you seem to be the most level-headed of the bunch….which isn’t saying much. ;)

As far as offering your 1KRR, that is very kind of you and I appreciate the level of trust you are instilling. I am under the assumption your offer is with you knowing it is in regards to the street challenge only. Just gotta go 6 miles with it, 3 out and 3 back.

FWIW, I will certainly welcome you regardless of the bullshit however I do not speak for anyone except myself. As I said weeks ago, I will personally offer an honest and respect-filled handshake to any of the crew that actually shows….even Spanky, and as much as it pains me to type that.

The Butcher

Whoops! One quick question before I forget:

Is now a good time to mention that I’m a licensed road racer with lots of trophies and sponsors and stuff and the bike I’m on is a wonderfully prepped Honda 600 or should I wait a little longer before I mention those minor details?

GuessWho

Yes, little Butcher Bitch, I read all your nonsense. Just like you don’t have a street bike I don’t have a track bike. Supermoto is offering you his bike to you on my offer. You got nothing to lose and 6 large to gain. You bring nothing to my table so why would I waste my time and $1500 or so of my hard stolen earnings to set up my street bike to do a homo trackday? You got some money to put up? Lets talk reality jerkoff. What goes on in your little mind to think me or anyone of my crew would go out of our way to invest in setting up a bike, drive 420 miles to prove to some homo that we can get down on the track when the homo can’t even put up the money for us to break even. You’re a big time racer, you should have some winning earnings to spare. Okay, maybe not. So, use Supermotos 1000RR and if you can see my tail light after 3 miles you get 6 grand, if not you don’t have to give me a penny. I’ll have Grant or Wes hold the cash and if you can just see my tail light it’s yours. Or you can bring your little 600RR and I’ll borrow anyones 600 and you can go for yours. I mean, com’on what we do is nothing and anyone can do it right?
Again, bring something to the table, if you can’t then STFU and save your own face little man in the Heroic suit. Oh, Mr.Racer with all your bullshit plaques that are only good for one thing..firewood. Lmao. I know it burns you up that us idiot street riders got a interview with HFL. I know it sucks that you try so hard and no one notices you. I guess that’s why you’re riding our coat tails over here, maybe you’ll get noticed. Ok, little baby bitch, me and my 6g’s are waiting. Look at it this way..if you win my 6g’s your kids won’t have to share the same under wear anymore. Wow, look at the time. While you’re sleeping and dreaming about me and waiting for your alarm clock to sound off so you can check HFL for comments me and the crew where out ripping up the public roads. Haha. Those damn bikers, damn all them sportbikes.
Now don’t say another word unless you have the money or balls to take my offer bitch. Damn, I’m offering you 6 fucking grand and I’m not expecting a penny if you can’t show me how easy it is to hold WOT. I just punked you Bitch. And, as for respect? I couldn’t give two shits about getting your respect or anyone elses cause I get plenty of it every where I go.

The Butcher

Spanky, I am committed to this. Your homeboy offered his bike for the street side of this and now alls you have to do is stop the bullshit and commit. As an added bonus, no matter the outcome you can keep your $6 grand.

It was said weeks ago that your trip is all but paid for. Go back and read it for yourself.

I have no issue with HFL being there but I certainly don’t want anything about me featured on these pages.

Rest assured Spanky, The Butcher never sleeps.

Just post up that you’re committed and we can move forward.

GuessWho

Trip is paid for? Lol. Sounds like you’re the one that needs a loan. I just spent 4 weeks in Europe, traveled to 4 different countries, chilled at Brno for 3 days, and you think I need my trip to Louden to be covered? Lmao. The point is your not bringing shit to the table, just a lot of talk. You’re not making it worth my time. You made the call out? You want to see? Now put up the money or shut your trap.
Thanks for offering not taking my $, it’s not like you’re going to see my tail light anyway. I bet you’ll shit your pants when you actually see what we do in person and realize not anyone can do it.
Now, you have my email. Email me when you’re ready. SuperMoto will give you his bike and you can show us how easy and how anyone can ride WOT.
Listen up jerkoff!!! You will get $6,000 if you can pull it off. I know I said it 100 times myself but it seems like you’re not hearing me, you keep going back to this track day thing sounding like a broken record. It’s about getting paid not getting your respect. I could careless about earning respect from a little nobody. You make a challenge and bring nothing to the table. I make a challenge and bring 6 large. Ahhh, see how it works yet? This is not CCS, you’re not going to get on the front of the grid with your 10 months in advance registration. Haha.
Email is here and so is my money. I’m waiting. And don’t worry, I’m sure you’re a little scared about meet up with a bunch of people you don’t know at 3am. I guaranty your safety and I’m sure HFL will be there to watch your back. Bring some of your track day homo buddied with you too.
Call me and we’ll talk about it. Dimeless, spineless coward.

Richlandrics

To supermotoretard…. Let’s get one thing very straight. You are not, have never been, nor never will be part of the loudon challenge. It’s all about Chris and his big mouth shouting about being able to run times at loudon that many a persons research has shown is complete bullshit. He and I have been in contact because I do have the balls to write him and figure out the logistics of getting him to loudon to prove him to be Full of shit. He’s already told me he doesn’t mess with you cuz you don’t know when to keep your mouth shut. Nows that time. Your not part of this. No one gives a shit about what you have to say. Including Chris from what he’s said to me. Your not even a member of NYF so why are you even speaking. As far as loudon, stay home. Don’t waste mine nor your time coming up. Your reckless and I know I don’t have any desire to ride with you.
I’ve told Chris I have mad respect for the risks he takes making these videos. But I also told him I have been there, done that. Then I grew up.
Point blank Chistos, you showing or not? No need for your tough act. I had the balls and respect to write you. I even gave you my cell # so you can call me to discuss the Loudon challenge. So as far as I’m concerned, it’s still put up or shut up. You claimed you’ve run 1:13 at loudon. I’ve done the research. You’ve run no faster than 1:22. I have seen all your race results with my own 2 eyes.
You in or out? It’s an easy question to answer.

GuessWho

Rich, you need to have your eyes checked. Lol. I suggest you look better. Sept 30,2001. race 8. MW Grand Prix & Supertwins. Consistent low 17s in traffic. I pull 1:20 off the line on the first lap. Not bad for the 10th 6 lap race I ever did. Plus, I never went out for practice. I saved my tires for the race. You might want to reconsider that challenge you made to me about breaking 18s. I hear the track is faster now. If I can get a bike and make it to your trackday I will take your money. Believe me. You should take a better look cause I’m guessing you made that challenge after seeing those 1:22s and not the 17′s. Rich, you really had no idea did you? Lol. Now go look and eat your words. I’ll be right here waiting for your next comment after you see the real deal. Now reply and tell them all what you see and this time give me some, not much but, some credit for doing those times in that short of a period. I think I was pretty impressive considering my size(280 with gear)and the bike(105 HP)I was on. If I was 160lbs like my rivals who knows what times I would of pulled. Thank you very much.

GuessWho

I was considering donating my winnings but after reading all this nonsense I’ll just burn it and roast marsh mellows with it for you doubting my capabilities.
Rich, I’m going to give you the oppertunity to back away quietly. I’m 50lbs lighter and will be using a 2009 full set up 135HP R6. You know what that spells? T.R.O.U.B.L.E. for you. Lmao. I told you my plans so, stop boasting about your challenge in hopes my plans don’t fall. If they do fall you’re going to shit yourself. I bet you thought it was a sure thing reading those 1:22′s? Haha. See, I only bet on sure things and coming there will be a sure thing FOR ME. So, you still think I can’t pull those times? I did back then on a slow bike and being super sized. Lol. Lighter rider, faster bike, and faster rider doesn’t sound so promising for you and your money. Just take a seat and stop the bullshit. I go fast. Period. You know it now and so do all the others. 1:13s? Oh, that? That was totall bullshit. Haha. But we know the truth now. Don’t we?

The Butcher

It’s not about the money and all about you backing up what you so blindly stated in the article when you thought it was funny to balk at trackies as well as other riders who put their efforts into becoming better and more confident riders.

As far as you and I are concerned, are you committed to this or not, Spanky? I don’t need 8 paragraphs for an answer. A one word answer will suffice.

Richlandrics

Nope. Still can’t find them. Sorry. Still only see 1:22s. I do see a couple races where you were lapped or came in next to last one of them being at daytona. And as far as your request to practice before your timed run… You made the claim you could run fast out the box. Do it or don’t. Don’t want excuses. Don’t want mile long paragraphs. Yes or no. You’ll be there or you won’t. I got respect for you for running fast in a straight line. Much respect. Adrenalin junkie to the max. Good for you for holding such tight lines across 4 lanes at warp speed. Now come back up the “skill” you say you possess and you walk away with cash. Simple payday for you if you can do it. And just as has been said. We will donate your $500 to charity when you can. Boston Moto Trackday. Sept 29th. Be there or don’t. Up to you. Seems to me your “rep” is dependent on your showing now that ypuve talked all that shit.

supermotoretard

so now i am not invited?rich you should watch your mouth,i will come up there just to choke you out>
- Richlandrics
  
  See here’s what you don’t get supermotoretarded…… You were NEVER invited. This challenge has never included you. Shit, you don’t even belong to New Yorks Fastest. That from what Chris told me, was a VERY short taking before they kicked you out. Your that guy that wants to be like the cool kids so you inject yourself into they’re business every chance you get. Just so you can feel part of something. This is something you aren’t a part of. So do us all a favor and stay home the 29th. And as far as the tough guy New Yawk bullshit. You chocking me out is something that could Never ever happen. Believe me when that’s said.

The Butcher

Oh Jesus, here we go with the tough guy shit. ROFL

Grant – If you read this, I just saw your e-mail.I am ready and have been for weeks now.As you can see no commitments just yet from Spanky.I wanted to let you know this publically before I responded to your e-mail.

GuessWho

I love listening to myself talk.
Rich, you would never make it as a P.I. I emailed you that one thing you couldn’t find. I’ll be waiting for your comment on it and I’m sure so will everyone else.
Yes, I am committed and doing my best to make it. Rich, knows the details.
Butcher, you need to reread that article, I don’t recall putting down any trackday riders or racers. I simple stated I get invites from people for these tracks. People that I know. People that use to ride street but now do trackdays and think they’re super stars.
And Butcher, whats your purpose in this? What are your bringing to the table? You just want to ride around the track, hold hands and compair yourself to me? Or is there something more to it? It’s not about money right? So what are you offering me? If you got nothing to put on my plate then stay home. I don’t remember you offering anything. But I could be wrong?
As for my “rep”? Lmao. My rep has been in the shitter since 2005. I could careless about what anyone thinks of me. Life goes on no matter how many people dislike me.
Rich, what you think, do I have a chance at that $1500?

GuessWho

As for Daytona? I got hit and taken out, picked up my bike and finished with on clipon hanging off. Bike was damaged and I did my best to complete the weekend and have fun. And I did except for the down poor at the last race.

Richlandrics

So Chris sent me the results from a race in 2001 where he did in fact run a 1:17.43 at loudon. I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong. Much respect where it’s due bro.

Do I think he can come back after NINE YEARS and do it now….. No. Not really.

And for the record, you only get $1k for running sub 18s. Then an additional $1500 if you run sub 15s. For which $500 of the latter is my part of the bet. I’m pretty confident you won’t get any of my money.

GuessWho

For the record it wasn’t “a” 1:17.4 it was “a” few 1:17.4s like 4 of them out of 6 laps while stuffing the 2nd grid. Awwwwwww shit!! Instead of roasting marsh mellows with your money and even though I don’t smoke I’m going to use it to light up some cheap cigars.
And you better believe!! When I come I come strong. Lighter fastest rider and a faster bike spells you know what!!
Whatever it is, $1000 or $2500 it will light up the same. $2500 will burn longer. If it’s a little chilly out that day you can warm up next to fire and have one of my cheap cigars. Hahaha.

Richlandrics

Lol. Hope to see you there. Cheap cigars or not. Then we’ll see if you can back it all up.

Justaname

Guesswhoo and the tard and some weak fellas. Fake, fake, and fake.

soban881

So, what happened? Something wrong with the comments or did they just dry up?

gregorbean

Yes, update please!

GeddyT

*chirp* *chirp*… *chirp* *chirp*…

GuessWho

Aaaah, people still interested. Must have this link in your favorites list. Update: Blew something in the CB1000RR engine a few weeks ago, makes a rattling noise and gets louder as the RPM go up.
Also, go my eyes on the new ZX-10.
Spring will be: 2011 ZX-10 vs BMW S1000RR video. Maybe it’ll get 300+ comments too.

Matt the sperglord

Yeah, 300 comments of you and your brahs tarding back and forth to each other.

soban881

How predictable.

The Butcher

I did my part. Not sure what else to say on the matter. NYCF is a buncha fakes that got a little magazine time and nothing more.

GuessWho

Butcher always wants the last word. bottom line is you bring nothing to the table. my $6000 offer is on the table. what do you have for me? nothing. youre joke. stay on the track where youre safe. trackday homo.

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wills996

Wow, I have been a lurker for some time, awsome site, and great articles- look at the debate this one started. The best advice I ever received- “There is always someone faster than you” – Track competition and Street rest assured. I’m not sure “NYC’s fastest” displayed that humility in this article, and maybe thats why so many readers were put off, but I don’t know them personally, so I can not really judge. There is no doubt that they are going fast, increadibly fast, faster than most, but I know for certain they are not the fastest even on their own roads, and neither am I or you. I’m from upstate, western NY, my little area has produced several very fast paid professionals (some of who I know personally) who have all gone on to produce incredible results in recent years in AMA FLAT TRACK, WERA, AMA, WORLD SUPERSPORT, and WORLD GP2. If you follow the sport you will be familiar with these publicized names, and they each have reached the top ranks in their competitive realms. The arguements above remind me of a time where there was some bragging rights between guys in our city with the fastest of fastest night riders. Just for fun one night two of the pros happened to show up on their bone stock street bikes to say high to some old friends, and on ride around the city a quick but devestating dose of humility was freely given to the top nobody enjoying the ranks of other nobodies who was trying to prove his self appointed status to the pros. As fast as theses pros are, they will be the first ones to tell you that they are not the “fastest” and there is still a whole entirley far far distant level of greater skill and speed that they have not achieved in their sport. I don’t hate on anyone that can be a somebody amongst a bunch of nobodies, as long as they know they are a nobody to somebody too.

Skid Vicious

YEah, you know that stint he did in the NY state pen was for being a bike thief right? He also goes by the name “da1000RRstunna”. Google him. Him and 30 some odd friends were stealing bikes in and around the city. I don’t give a fuck how great he thinks he is in his own mind or how fast he can go on the road. He’s still a giant douchenozzle

GuessWho

Google my balls in your mouth bitch. You fucking clown, harassing me on YouTube all day and night for days on end with 100+ comments. Get a life and stop worrying about NYC Fastest and Skank.

Matt the sperglord

Boy am I ever glad you have to buy a subscription to comment on this site now. It’s amazing what $2 will do to keep the riff-raff out.

GuessWho

I paid my 28 clams.

Thomas

Hey guys
Im new to the forum, but not to riding(been racing cars and bikes since 6 years old) been raised in the automotive bizz). All I can say first off is alot of people on here are talking smack when you dont know people personally. Second is stop bringing up the self rightous shit about what bikers should be. What about all the other people on the road, you think there heartfull towards us. Yea right or what about those poor cops, give me a fucking break, how about that fucking drunk peace of shit indiana cop(bisard) that killed a biker and critical two more, AND THEY SAID THE BLOOD TEST WAS screwed with so THEY LET THAT COCKSUCKER OFF with the biggest charge of DWI manslaughter. are you kidding me stop it with all the little poor people and we are the big bad bikers.
Ohh and stop calling everyong a squid, that seems like the word people use as a cop out when they cant or dont like what others are doing. Riders are born, not made. you know who knows how to ride and who doesnt, just becuase some rich tool buys all the gear and rides, hes still not a true gear head.

Thomas

Im sorry for cursing on the forum, I just lost my cool. Everyone have a good holiday season. Skank I right here in Bergen County, NJ. Would love to ride with ya.

bjorn

So the track day race never happened then???

GuessWho

Tom, you are more then welcome to come riding with us. My E-mail: 081000RR@GMAIL.COM
No, the track day never happened, for #’s of reasons.
Wow. People are still commenting. Nice.

Paul

Interesting article. I can remember in my younger/wilder/dumber days riding exactly like this group of people. Back then the speeds were not as fast, but neither were the tires and suspensions as sorted. I loved it and occasionally still long for it.

Sentinel

This may seem like an unfair statement if you’re ignorant, but I have to say that if you didn’t “come up the hard way”, haven’t been through some real hell in this life, and truly know what it is to be “on the edge” for any length of time, then you probably will never be able to understand those of us that have, and that’s ok, no need to be a self-righteous prick about it though…

squirrelgonzo

Stupid is Stupid. That being said, At least these guys are wearing proper gear, making sure the motorcycles will perform at speed and riding like squids during times when they know there will be less people on the road.

Ben Frueh

Safety aside, all the club and code secret society stuff reminds me of what I used to do to try to be cool. When I was eight.

Ben Frueh

That said, I’ve driven the LI parkways many times, and they are spectacular roads for high-speed riding if empty. I just wish they’d close them for a point-to-point time trial road race during the day. Spectators could sit on Robert Moses’ too-low-for-riff-raff bridges and watch the riff-raff go under them at 186.

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