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	<title>Comments on: Michael Czysz on MotoGP: it&#8217;s lost</title>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85722</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh one more thing, engine configuration should be open too, V2, V4, V6, V8, I4, I3 ect...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh one more thing, engine configuration should be open too, V2, V4, V6, V8, I4, I3 ect&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85721</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Erik

I&#039;m totally with you. Moto GP is supposed to be the pinnacle of two-wheeled motor sports racing.

The only thing IMO that should separate classes are displacement and rider experience. I think there should be a 250cc 4-Stroke class (since 2 strokes are outlawed now), then 500cc then 1000cc.

Then the pilots should have to gain maturity. Say a 250 rider does 4 years then 500cc 2 years before any of them can be drafted to the next class. And starting age should be 16 years old.

The bikes should be pure prototype all the way down to the smallest nut and bold. Nothing should be out sourced to other companies with the exception of tires. And those should remain open to ANY manufacturer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Erik</p>
<p>I&#8217;m totally with you. Moto GP is supposed to be the pinnacle of two-wheeled motor sports racing.</p>
<p>The only thing IMO that should separate classes are displacement and rider experience. I think there should be a 250cc 4-Stroke class (since 2 strokes are outlawed now), then 500cc then 1000cc.</p>
<p>Then the pilots should have to gain maturity. Say a 250 rider does 4 years then 500cc 2 years before any of them can be drafted to the next class. And starting age should be 16 years old.</p>
<p>The bikes should be pure prototype all the way down to the smallest nut and bold. Nothing should be out sourced to other companies with the exception of tires. And those should remain open to ANY manufacturer.</p>
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		<title>By: Racetrack Style</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85631</link>
		<dc:creator>Racetrack Style</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wide-open class like you suggested really should be expected by anyone remotely interested in these things.  A variety of different tracks will play the deciding role in how the engineers set out to build their world-beaters...&quot;here&#039;s the set of tracks &amp; # of laps, go build one bike that you think your rider can get around them the quickest&quot;

That would be liberating for them and fans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wide-open class like you suggested really should be expected by anyone remotely interested in these things.  A variety of different tracks will play the deciding role in how the engineers set out to build their world-beaters&#8230;&#8221;here&#8217;s the set of tracks &amp; # of laps, go build one bike that you think your rider can get around them the quickest&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be liberating for them and fans</p>
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		<title>By: rohorn</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85590</link>
		<dc:creator>rohorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 00:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 25 years ago, 250 turbos would have been legal in the 500GP class. Supposedly, BMW and Honda were working on them, but the fuel consumption was worse than the 500 two strokes. Or so I&#039;m told.

If I were roadracing dictator for a day, I&#039;d ban all streetbike racing and race with pure roadracing machinery, both production and prototype. I find the whole notion of &quot;Superbike&quot; racing to be a giant lie when a &quot;properly built&quot; superbike &quot;needs&quot; virtually every component replaced by &quot;race&quot; parts, available only to favored teams, of course. I would think that the return of the production roadracer would be a good thing.

Can anyone imagine how bad motocross in all its various forms would be if the racebikes had to be based on street legal bikes? Now that I think about it,  before my time, they were.

I&#039;ve often wondered what sort machinery would work best in a class with only 2 rules: All air must enter the engine through an orifice of (x) area and leave through an oriface of (y) area - displacement,cylinder count, etc... is open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 25 years ago, 250 turbos would have been legal in the 500GP class. Supposedly, BMW and Honda were working on them, but the fuel consumption was worse than the 500 two strokes. Or so I&#8217;m told.</p>
<p>If I were roadracing dictator for a day, I&#8217;d ban all streetbike racing and race with pure roadracing machinery, both production and prototype. I find the whole notion of &#8220;Superbike&#8221; racing to be a giant lie when a &#8220;properly built&#8221; superbike &#8220;needs&#8221; virtually every component replaced by &#8220;race&#8221; parts, available only to favored teams, of course. I would think that the return of the production roadracer would be a good thing.</p>
<p>Can anyone imagine how bad motocross in all its various forms would be if the racebikes had to be based on street legal bikes? Now that I think about it,  before my time, they were.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered what sort machinery would work best in a class with only 2 rules: All air must enter the engine through an orifice of (x) area and leave through an oriface of (y) area &#8211; displacement,cylinder count, etc&#8230; is open.</p>
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		<title>By: smoke4ndmears</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85577</link>
		<dc:creator>smoke4ndmears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>still unconventional in a high performance application, Triumph being the exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still unconventional in a high performance application, Triumph being the exception.</p>
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		<title>By: Racetrack Style</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85570</link>
		<dc:creator>Racetrack Style</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;WSB/Superbike = 600cc and 1,000cc production engines and chassis&quot;

The above sounds like a 1200cc twin &amp; a 675 triple would be excluded from production-based racing.  The added displacement advantage debate is no doubt complex, but a variety of cylinders is a very fascinating part of motorcycle racing and development/production.

I like Mr. Czysz&#039; 250cc cylinder model due to its economical scaling capability for OEMs involved in mass production, however, Erik also has good points.  Prototype racing should also welcome anything outside of that model that can qualify.  And, quoting Erik: &quot;Limit or mandate weight, fuel consumption, type of fuel, and maybe emissions&quot;.

Norton should have been allowed to try to qualify their rotary. Likewise, electric bikes or anyone doing more than 4 cylinders (e.g. Drysdale&#039;s V8) should be welcomed to qualify.

Prototype racing should lead to other developments, not just further developing the 30 yr old status quo.  For example, if different induction was allowed to enter into prototype racing, would a turbo 500cc twin platform eventually end up in a production bike?  A 500cc turbo twin could have liter-bike performance* due to the light weight and smaller size.

*note: not equivalent power, but overall performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WSB/Superbike = 600cc and 1,000cc production engines and chassis&#8221;</p>
<p>The above sounds like a 1200cc twin &amp; a 675 triple would be excluded from production-based racing.  The added displacement advantage debate is no doubt complex, but a variety of cylinders is a very fascinating part of motorcycle racing and development/production.</p>
<p>I like Mr. Czysz&#8217; 250cc cylinder model due to its economical scaling capability for OEMs involved in mass production, however, Erik also has good points.  Prototype racing should also welcome anything outside of that model that can qualify.  And, quoting Erik: &#8220;Limit or mandate weight, fuel consumption, type of fuel, and maybe emissions&#8221;.</p>
<p>Norton should have been allowed to try to qualify their rotary. Likewise, electric bikes or anyone doing more than 4 cylinders (e.g. Drysdale&#8217;s V8) should be welcomed to qualify.</p>
<p>Prototype racing should lead to other developments, not just further developing the 30 yr old status quo.  For example, if different induction was allowed to enter into prototype racing, would a turbo 500cc twin platform eventually end up in a production bike?  A 500cc turbo twin could have liter-bike performance* due to the light weight and smaller size.</p>
<p>*note: not equivalent power, but overall performance.</p>
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		<title>By: jpenney</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85547</link>
		<dc:creator>jpenney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see some unlimited series. Production based racing is great, and needed, but the top tier should be completely bonkers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see some unlimited series. Production based racing is great, and needed, but the top tier should be completely bonkers!</p>
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		<title>By: jpenney</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85544</link>
		<dc:creator>jpenney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell that bit about three cylinders to Laverda, Triumph, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Aprilia, BMW, etc ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that bit about three cylinders to Laverda, Triumph, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Aprilia, BMW, etc &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: markbvt</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85543</link>
		<dc:creator>markbvt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to assume you did that on purpose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to assume you did that on purpose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: smoke4ndmears</title>
		<link>/2012/04/michael-czysz-on-motogp-its-lost/#comment-85541</link>
		<dc:creator>smoke4ndmears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the investment entity behind MotoGP and WSBK is the same maybe it is possible that some decisive action can be made. Keep in mind that change would ultimately be shareholder driven. I do like the idea regarding the less-is-more engine size that Mr. Czysz proposes, the choice of 3 cylinders is certainly an unconventional layout. Might be a hard sell that one. Additionally, if MotoGP is supposed to be the top-flight series such a displacement/configuration  would require significant regulations on the 1000/4 bikes to maintain parity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the investment entity behind MotoGP and WSBK is the same maybe it is possible that some decisive action can be made. Keep in mind that change would ultimately be shareholder driven. I do like the idea regarding the less-is-more engine size that Mr. Czysz proposes, the choice of 3 cylinders is certainly an unconventional layout. Might be a hard sell that one. Additionally, if MotoGP is supposed to be the top-flight series such a displacement/configuration  would require significant regulations on the 1000/4 bikes to maintain parity.</p>
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