RideApart 21: SoCal’s best roads and a Ducati 1199

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So Jamie calls me one day and is all, “We’ve got an 1199 for a couple days, but it’s raining!” You’d think and Englishman could deal with that a little better, but I sent him a Butler Motorcycle Map and pointed him south. I think he had fun.

  • RT Moto

    Don’t believe Jamie, Palomar is a terrible road. ;-)

    • Kevin

      When they ever get around to repaving East Grade (S-7), that will outdo S-6. Less crowded, more scenic, just a really nice ride but for the pavement condition.

  • Tommy Erst

    Looks like I’m gonna have to get me one of them butler maps.

  • http://www.facebook.com/guiherz Guilherme Stadnik Herz

    How the heck am I supposed to look for work now, after seeing jamie ride that kind of bike on those kinds of roads? What job could ever measure up to that?

    • Campisi

      I’ve found that the fuel money runs out rather quickly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raphaelsassi Raphael Sassi

    I’ve had some of the best days of my life on those exact roads. I was stalking the area looking for work. I wish I never left the Cleveland National Forest.

  • Moto Wise

    Jamie you need to hit up the 33 to the 58. Or if you want to stay more local: http://goo.gl/maps/ivDC2 (I’m moving so I don’t mind blowing up my spots)

    • http://www.facebook.com/scottpargett Scott Pargett

      That’s quite a ride at, 6 hours and 58 mins.

      • Moto Wise

        You can cut is short by shooting over to the 5 south after San Francisquito Canyon road. But yeah, I like the long ones. Factor in gas and food, and it’s more like 10 hours, a full day. The intense practice will improve street riding skills in one loop. And it feels like such an epic accomplishment when you’re done!

        • Strandbum

          I visit Jones often too. Done exact route multiple times. Or break it up ACH-Wrightwood and the Little T etc. Little T and Spunky are very fun and technical.

    • http://RideApart.com/ Wes Siler

      That’s a solid route.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Sweeney/501437288 Scott Sweeney

    I can’t wait until we get an “849″ or whatever they are cooking up as the replacement middle weight.

  • Matt


    This Ducati advertisement (with a bonus product placement for the maps, which I’m sure are great but are presented equally uncritically) is so completely the opposite of what HFL used to stand for.

    • http://rideapart.com Wes Siler

      HFL has always and will always stand for stories about riding, honest opinions and a positive message about bikes and related products that deserve it.

    • http://RideApart.com/ Wes Siler

      HFL has always and will always stand for beautifully shot, beautifully told stories about riding, honest journalism and a powerful, positive message about products that deserve it.

  • BCobra

    My local rides! Multiple runs up and down the south grade on a weekday morning is just perfect.

  • ChrisB

    I’m going to try to be as constructively critical as I can. The video looks great. I’m so happy you guys got someone of Jaime’s caliber on the show. The scenery and bike combination were a good match. With that said, motorcycle flyby shots have their place in a video. But when they make up 90% of it, it just becomes motorcycle masturbation at that point. At least give me some POV shots so I can live vicariously through someone.

    Ultimately I don’t feel like this video told me anything. It was eye candy and wank material. I’ll watch motojournal videos and I can’t understand a lick of French because they have a plot and a story to tell. Now its unfair to try and compare you guys to Motojournal, who knows how big their budget is to yours. But wit and unique insight can’t be that expensive and I know HFL can do that because that’s what brought us all here. I’m not asking that each video be dressed up in some contrived plot, but, you know, say SOMETHING to me, something more than, “this Ducati is awesome, these roads are awesome, stroke stroke stroke”.

    • Kr tong

      Basically it fell apart on the edit room floor. It happens. Nobody’s accusing HFL of doing something easy.

  • Kevin

    Where is that goaty single track Jamie rides on this video? I’ve ridden the other roads he was on but not that one, would love to check it out.

    • BillW

      I ain’t telling, but it’s visible on the map when he’s showing where he’s been.

  • Miles Prower [690 Duke]

    Your music supervisor had been doing a bangup job picking appropriate music lately.

  • nightscout13

    Sexy bike. Pavement is always nice to ride after rain dries, no dust. I’ve been lusting over this bike….

  • KevinB

    Who uses maps anymore? Oh that’s right, folks that get paid to promote them.

    • Kevin

      That’s bull, those maps are great. I just bought the new Nor Cal map this weekend. I’ll file your comment under #shitmilleniallssay

      • KevinB

        ^ #shitPeopleWhoCantFigureOutTechnologyToPlanRoutesSay

        • Kevin

          Probability is high that I was programming computers when you were crapping your diapers #bitchplease :)

          • KevinB

            Still using punch cards?

            • Kevin

              +1 for you even knowing what those are. By the time I was programming, it was BASIC on magnetic media (cassettes, then floppies, then hard drives) but I certainly remember punch cards.

    • http://twitter.com/bloodfalcons motoguru.

      The Butler series are much more than just “maps”. You may want to have a look at one.

      • KevinB

        Well aware. They’re dead trees with ink on them and little pre-packaged trips designed for the average motorcyclist. Like I said, you’re not doing it right if you’re still using paper.

        Stopping all the time and digging out a map or figuring out where you are on some barely visible line on your tank bag sucks. They do usually have the standard “good” roads in the area, but the routes are also usually pretty simple and miss out on great roads because they don’t want to throw people off with too many turns or take them too far off the beaten path. If you want to find the “butler maps” type roads, Google “Motorcycle Roads” and you’ll get a bunch of websites that will give you a baseline.

        As far as discovering new roads and routes, if you take the time to research a route or plan a trip yourself, you come to realize pretty quickly that those things are gimmicky and they aren’t tailored to your interests.By researching it yourself, you get a better understanding of the area you want to see and you can pick out restaurants or sights that are better suited to your interests. Wikitravelpedia, Travel Advisor, Yelp, Google Places, and other crowd sourcing sites will give you much better information than some two paragraph blurb on a map that probably got put there by advertising dollars.

        Google Maps is an epic tool for planning rides. Between the standard, topo and street view, you can plan trips that are tailored to the roads you like to ride, not the guy on the rental GS. Once you have your route mapped out, it’s automatically synced to your phone, cache the area, and throw it on a RAM mount. You now have a GPS indicator of your location on your your pre-planned route, or wherever if you want to explore, and you don’t have to fiddle with a piece of paper. And you can probably pick up a RAM mount and car charger to wire to your bike for about the price of a butler map. Now you can map and plan for virtually any road in the world.

  • Ben

    Is the Panigale still using the plastic tanks like other Ducs – and thus vulnerable to the same headaches? The bike definitely isn’t in my future, I’m just curious since a fault like that needs all the attention it can get until Ducati takes care of it.

    Much as I enjoy the show, this episode was a bit hollow. Other folks mentioned the “WTF a map?” point. What makes those Butler maps better than a smartphone – Jamie should have addressed that. Also, why repeat the remarkably optimistic horsepower claim? Even if it’s saying something like, “195 claimed horsepower at the crank, and it’s typically measured at the rear wheel around 160″ communicates some truth without coming off as a sarcastic slight.

    • http://rideapart.com Wes Siler

      This episode never set out to be a review, instead consider it a meditation on a special experience — riding a great bike on great roads.

      We’ve covered Butler Maps multiple times here on HFL, they’re great products made by real riders for real riders that are genuinely useful. And cheap. Even in 2012, there occasionally still is a call for analog equipment.

      You can find all our 1199 coverage here: http://hellforleathermagazine.com/tagged/ducati-1199-panigale I think you’ll find it comprehensive, insightful and honest.

    • Ben

      As an additional point: I ask these things because I view the RideApart shows as separate from HFL. The show would be stronger on its own if those questions were answered. If the connection is more direct, consider specific links to the coverage to particular topics at the end of the video and the YouTube description page.

      Still enjoyed the episode, though!

      • http://rideapart.com Wes Siler

        There’s just only so much you can do in eight minutes. The last thing I want to do is walk on camera between every riding shot and provide a disclaimer about ducati’s claimed HP figures or now-resolved plastic fuel tank problems. There’s more to motorcycling than reviews.

      • http://RideApart.com/ Wes Siler

        There’s more to motorcycling than dry reviews. The last thing I want to do in a lifestyle show targeted at a mainstream audience is have to walk on camera between every single riding shot and deliver a disclaimer about now-resolved fuel tank issues no longer plaguing new Ducatis or pollute the message that this bike is fucking wonderful by explaining that while, yes, they totally lied about the power, 175bhp is still way, way more than even a professional racer like Jamie can use on the road.

        • Ben

          I can appreciate your point about reviews, Wes, and I’m not asking for that. If tank issues are resolved, there’s no reason to mention them. Owners continue to report issues with new Ducatis, even the new 848 Streetfighter, so I’m curious. Beyond that, maybe you don’t want to comment on the horsepower farce. If that’s the case, don’t mention horsepower. It’s inconsistent to slam them for making a claim and then joyously repeat it.

          My comment about Butler Maps is to balance the episode a bit. Taking 30 seconds to extol the virtues of such a great product wouldn’t dramatically detract from the remaining nine minutes and it would answer the expected questions.

          It seems like you want the show to be the more visceral side while this site is the more informative side. That’s cool. Pop the relevant HFL links into the end of the video itself or dynamically at appropriate points within. Grab the attention with the vid and provide a clear call to action so you don’t end up typing so many URLs in the comment section.

          Anyhow, keep on keepin’ on.

        • Ben

          Unrelated: Wes, in watching the RSS comments feed, I see comments that don’t appear here, like there’s some Bermuda Triangle action going on.

  • BillW

    Everybody’s got a beef about something, so here’s mine: looks like YouTube changed their embed code or something, as there’s no longer a “full screen” button when viewing the video here. I had to go watch it on YouTube to get full screen.

    Jamie definitely hit a few of the highlights of San Diego County, but he also definitely missed a few. Gotta save some for next time. Welcome to my back yard.

  • ChrisB

    If it was meant to be a beautiful meditation on riding a bike through great scenery, it had the scenery, it had the great bike. What it lacked was the meditation. If that’s what the video was going for then maybe a video with no narration at all. Or Jamie giving a voice over of how riding out there made him feel, what thoughts it inspired, or what’s going through his brain other than keeping the bike on the road. Thoughts more than, ‘this is incredible’ because that goes without saying. I know I’ll never be in the same league of riders as Jamie so maybe some voice over of some of the things he’s feeling in the bike or inputs he’s doing that some of us wouldn’t even think about.

    Also you shouldn’t bag on motojournal accusing them of being fart jokes when this video was the equivalent of a Maxim girl interview. At the end of the day I don’t to discourage anyone, I just wanted to give some feedback in the hopes I can help you guys make a better product.