Talking cars with Jamie and the DRIVE team

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Jamie, Nik (the camera guy) and I spent the last three days in New York, celebrating the holidays with the team from DRIVE, making plans for 2013 and putting together this year end roundup episode of Road Testament. Best cars and bikes of the year, stuff like that.

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  • Michael Howard

    Hate to disagree (not really ;) ) but the only performance advantage a bike has over a car is in acceleration and deceleration. Each of a car tire’s contact patches is much bigger than a bike’s — and the car has double the number of tires. If a bike is outcornering a car it’s probably because the rider is very good and the driver isn’t. And even the boxiest car is more aerodynamic than the most slippery bike and that equates to higher top speeds when you compare performance bikes to performance cars. Also, did the host actually say “lemon” (Le Mans)? ;)

    • motoguru.
      • Michael Howard

        Aha. Thanks.

    • Strafer

      i think cars can actually decelerate faster as well – leaving acceleration as the only performance advantage
      Having four flat wheels helps with deceleration, cars are good at it, better than bikes

      Also cars can switch from one turn to the opposite turn quicker (quickly spinning a small steering wheel vs standing a bike up and leaning it over to the other side without tipping over)

      • JB

        But motorcycles are more fun.

      • Adrastos34

        I think weight comes into deceleration as a factor for bikes being able to do it faster then cars. I guess the question is do 4 tires truly have enough of a grip advantage to compensate for the weight disadvantage of the car, over the weight advantage of a bike. I understand the wheel turn effort vs bike lean effort argument but I think its to close to make a real difference. (As long as you mean flicking the bike over with counter steering and not the misunderstanding that bikes are turned with body weight shifts. Using your body to some extent does help in a turn but it doesn’t flip the bike from side to side like some assume. Also when a bike is in motion you don’t really have to worry about it “tipping over” in the sense I believe you mean. Bikes naturally want to upright themselves at speed. Hence why you can see MotoGP riders basically dragging their ears on the track in corners. With the help of amazing tires, bikes and skill of course.)

        I think it’s less about the steering wheel and more about cars having more contact patches and grip in a turn which allows them to have a higher speed through the turn. Chances are though once that bike exits the turn its explosive acceleration will make up for the slower cornering speed.

        Its hard to compare these types of things though because what do you compare bike vs car wise…. MotoGP bike vs F1…. then you start getting cars with insane power to weight.. or do you limit it to high end street bikes and high end production cars. Each has technologies in braking that could change the results, this all of course is assuming you have a top class rider and driver for the tests.

    • Wes Siler

      Take it from someone with extensive experience in both fields: weight means a shit ton. There’s also a reason bike tires last 2,000 miles and car tires 20,000.

      I’m relatively decent in both disciplines and I’d take a bike in any situation you could name.

      • Michael Howard

        Skid pad. Cornering G’s.

        • Changali Matewere

          From what I’ve seen so far, skid pads have little to no bearing on real world performance.