The New Indian Motorcycles

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After nearly six months of teaser marketing campaigns, Indian Motorcycle finally pulled the wraps of its all-new 2014 Indian Chief at the annual Sturgis motorcycle rally in South Dakota last Saturday night.

Indian Motorcycle, owned by powersports conglomerate Polaris Industries, which also has Victory motorcycles in its portfolio, began a viral marketing campaign earlier this year with series of ‘sneak peek’ looks at its new Indian Chief motorcycle. Everything from the Chief’s engine specification to the retail pricing was revealed over the ensuing months with the exception of the actual bike itself.

It’s been a long wait and thousands of bike enthusiasts at Sturgis were finally rewarded at the weekend with seeing, for the first time, the new Indian three model line-up that consists of the Indian Chief Classic, the Indian Chief Vintage and the range flagship, the Indian Chieftain.

The trio share the same cast aluminum frame and the same all-new 111 cubic inch, 49-degree v-twin, Thunder Stroke engine. Indian Motorcycle claims this unit produces 119lb-ft of torque but, as of yet, there is no official horsepower figure for it. And, as a nod to the past, Indian Motorcycle has included some retro touches on the Thunder Stroke unit with similar cylinder cooling fins and parallel pushrod tubes reminiscent of engines from 1940s Indian motorcycles.

Entry into the Indian Chief Motorcycle range starts at $18,999 for the Chief Classic. For that you get a motorcycle which looks similar to Indian models from the past. This is because there’s valanced front and rear fenders covering the brake calipers, the iconic ‘War Bonnet’ light (an art deco styled running light in the shape of an Indian chief head mounted on the front fender), tear drop tank and leather saddle. There’s also a ton of chrome as you would expect and on the Classic’s tank (and on the Vintage and Chieftain) there’s the famous Indian script logo that was first used on its motorcycles back in 1910.

The equipment levels on the Chief Classic include keyless ignition, ABS, cruise control, throttle-by-wire and a tank-mounted console that includes both analog and digital displays.

Next step up is the Indian Chief Vintage at $20,999. This is the soft bagger in the line-up and, for that, you get the same traditional Indian styling cues and equipment levels of the Classic, but also whitewall tires, a quick release windshield and leather saddlebags and tan leather fringe for the saddle.

At $22,999 is the Indian Chieftain – the Indian Motorcycle flagship. This is the hard bagger of the range and features a fork mounted fairing with integrated driving lights and LED turn signals.

The Chieftain’s hard fairing incorporates a windshield that is power-adjustable to improve airflow and rider protection. There’s also a comprehensive digital instrument layout that includes tire pressure monitoring, an audio system with speakers and integrated Bluetooth smart-phone connection. The hard bags on the Chieftain are quick release and feature remote electric locks operated by a console-mounted button or on the key fob. The Chieftain also has the same specification of ABS, cruise control, throttle-by-wire as the other two Chief models.

Despite the inclusion of that ride-by-wire throttle, there’s no traction control or switchable riding modes. Both of which are employed to great effect by the cheaper Moto Guzzi California 1400.

In line with the introduction of the new Indian Chief, Indian Motorcycle is currently increasing its dealer network around the world and in the U.S. By the end of this year it’s planning on having between 125-140 Indian Motorcycle dealers in North America and 70 international dealers around the globe.

The 2014 Indian Chief can be ordered now and will be in dealer showrooms this September along with apparel, parts and accessories. Test rides will be available later this month at dealer events across the country.

  • kentaro

    I’m hoping this brings a lot more competition and better bikes to the cruiser market. Good luck Polaris.

  • Davidabl2

    They are less than horrible looking and are slightly (only slightly) less than stratospherically priced.
    Being Polaris Motorcycles I had been concerned about the former, since I’ve never seen a good-looking
    Victory bike..

    But it IS a shame that they lack the Guzzi’s technology..
    And It’s really too bad Guzzi doesn’t make the Guzzi California IN California :-)

    Personally, I’m sure I’d never buy anything bigger than a middleweight cruiser.
    Despite that trick aluminum frame, these bikes look like they still weigh half a ton…

    • Tim Watson

      The Chief Classic is at 778lbs, the Vintage 801lbs and the Chieftan 815… not light weights!

      • Davidabl2

        Astonishingly enough, an original ’47 Indian Chief only tips the scales at not much over 600lbs..and a ’47 Harley EL would be a little lighter. I like my bikes to weigh no more than a XLCH..or one of those ’47 Chiefs. There are steel-framed Japanese Cruisers that manage that feat, while looking like larger motorcycles. Including my Indian clone Kawasaki VN800,

        • Piglet2010

          Well, my Bonnie weighs 70 pounds less than a similar displacement 883 Iron, and the slightly smaller Moto Guzzi V7 weighs over 140 pounds less, and the Bonnie at least does not suffer any noticeable frame flexing, so there is much weight savings to be had.

          • Davidabl2

            All the excess weight in cruisers isn’t just in the frame it’s everywhere, and I do mean everywhere..but the frame is a good place to begin if you want to get rid of some of it.
            I didn’t realize just how much excess weight there actually IS until I’d worked on a couple of cruisers (metric)–and just looking at the big Harleys it’s obvious that the situation is the same over there.

  • Corey Cook

    Leather fringes make me want to renounce my American citizenship. That is all.

    • Davidabl2

      The problem is easily solved with a good pair of shears. Anybody with some upholstery skills could
      make the repair invisible.

    • appliance5000

      Watch Oliver Stone’s Doors movie and embrace the bliss.

    • Scottie Ray Smith

      fringes used to serve a functional purpose….to drain water from clothing and saddle when in the rain.

      • Davidabl2

        It’s interesting to know that fringes EVER had a functional purpose..

      • Jonathan Berndt

        where did you come up with that??? wind and gravity will do that with out fringe!

    • Furshlugginer

      As Neil Young once remarked, fringes are groovy. I bet Neil’s ordered one of these groovy bikes alady.

      Who should I trust, you or Neil?

    • Bruce Anderson

      Fringes serve a purpose, keeps road dust away from paint and water off side covers, try it you may like it?!?

  • Campisi

    Three things about this surprise me.

    First off, three different trim levels are being shown by the company as being separate models. I recognise that they aren’t the only company to do this, but there isn’t anything particularly substantial separating each trim package from the others. The previous owners of the company had a nearly identical product strategy.

    Second, the frame is made from aluminum. Unless that unit-construction engine sports lead cases and granite heads, there’s a possibility (however slight) that this thing could weigh less than six hundred pounds, a major feat for a range-topping cruiser. Such would bode well for any smaller additions to the model range in the future.

    Third, they went out of their way to leave negative space around the engine in the frame. It’s a small touch that makes a big difference, visually lightening the design. I would go so far as to say that the base model looks alright, sans that horrid fairing.

    • appliance5000

      There are fairly significant frame geometries between the models. It’s not all cosmetics – although in this category cosmetics is king.

      • Campisi

        Is there a source for that? The article says they all share the same frame, and eyeballing the pictures doesn’t reveal any differences. Considering that all three trims involve essentially identical dynamic requirements, significant geometry changes seem unnecessary.

        • Tim Watson

          Essentially they do but the Chieftain’s headstock and backbone are a different casting which
          changes the rake. Other than that everything else is the same down to the swingarm.

        • appliance5000

          There seems to be different requirements:

          “The Vintage’s “cruiser” geometry of 29 degrees and 6.1 inches of trail definitely tips it toward the stable side. Gray says that rider feedback from the target customer dictated this. It makes the steering heavier than on the Chieftain with its 25-degree rake and 5.9-inch trail. Further, the Chieftain uses negative-offset triple-clamps because of the greater loads expected on this more-touring-oriented model. This offset places the fork tubes behind the steering head to put more weight on the front contact patch, which gives more consistent handling when carrying greater loads.”

    • Piglet2010

      Polaris is already using cast aluminium alloy frames in Victory bikes, and they are hardly lightweight.

  • runnermatt

    For anyone interested… if you go to the Indian website you can register to win one. The value of the one you would win is listed at $18,999, so I’m guessing it would be the Classic. Oh and you don’t have to jump through loops to register to win, all the ask for is you Name, e-mail, address, daytime phone# and birthdate.

    Anyone know how taxes work when you win something like this?

    Also, I would be interested in an American made ADV tourer at some point. With Indian’s history and Polaris ownership I expect there might be a reasonable chance for this now.

    • Dennis Hightower

      I won a little Kawi Ninja 250 two years ago. Had to pay the sales tax, and I got some species of 1099 to also report on my federal income tax. My everyday bike is a Speed Triple. When I drove the Ninjette away from the dealership, I almost turned around to report something wrong… throttle cranked…maybe 20 mph… : )

      • Piglet2010

        The Ninjette moves just fine – the secret is to start downshifting when the revs drop below 11K.

      • LS650

        Try shifting up!

  • Piglet2010

    Can anyone answer the question of why Polaris is adding new Indian dealers, instead of just selling Indian through existing Victory dealers? Profit from franchise fees?

    • Tim Watson

      I believe some will be shared Victory/Indian but in more significant markets they will be stand alone Indian dealers with their own corporate identity, signage, showroom look and feel etc.

    • Davidabl2

      I haven’t done my homework on this (surprise,surprise) but I’d imagine it’s because they picked up
      the pre-existing Indian dealership network when they bought the company.
      To cite ancient history, It wouldn’t be the first time it has happened with Indian. When the original
      Indian Motocycle co. went belly-0up in ’53 it was bought out by somebody in England called the Brockhouse Group, who apparently wanted the Indian dealer network as much as the Indian brand.
      Brockhouse then distributed re-badged Royal Enfield singles and twins as “Indians” for a few more years. By some accounts the bastards at Brockhouse managed to run not only ONE motorcycle company into the ground, but THREE : Indian,Vincent AND Enfield..but they didn’t own an interest in Enfield for long enough to fully kill it ;-)

  • thegreyman

    Love it! Why would anyone want a harley cruiser when you could have a Victory or Indian? Ohh, and yes- I have owned a harley-(2006 VROD). Now I ride a Victory and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

    • Davidabl2

      The VROD could be said to be a Victory wannabe –or a Warrior wannabe for that matter– anyway.
      Certainly it isn’t a traditional Harley, and so isn’t representative of the breed..

      • thegreyman

        The VROD came out in 2003, before Victory became mainstream so how could that be a Victory wannabe? The warrior is air cooled, not liquid and they look different though same genre of bike. But yeah, I get it- its’ not a mainstream Harley- though in my book, it’s the only legit bike Harley builds.

        • Davidabl2

          Certainly “legit” In terms of technologically being in the current millennium

  • grb

    I dont know if this bikes will sell outside the US… people that buy harleys and this kind of bikes are usually from USA… Chrome, leather fringes, glitter and more chrome… I personally think they are tacky, you have to really like the flashy (bad) style to buy one of this bikes because otherwise who would ride them? so I wonder what real motorcyclist rides a bike like this? for what for showoff? because suspension is crap (from the USA cruisers I have ridden) and they handle terrible, they’re just not a bike that makes you feel like your flying… if you can have something that in comparison handles divinely why would you rather have this? beets me

    • Marc

      H-D sells extremely well overseas, especially in Italy. No, I’m not being sarcastic.

      • grb

        yea? if that is true I would have never guessed it. Yet I still wonder why people buy this, is it to be looked at? has to be because if you’re really interested in riding and you’re looking for the best riding experience possible, then this bikes are a joke. But if what you want is to be looked at, well then your a poser and to each its own, though I still wonder why would you want to be looked at sitting on something like this?…

        • Davidabl2

          grb,Maybe it’ll all make sense to you when you are middle-aged or older- if you’re middle-aged now.. In the USA anyway motards and sport bikes appeal to men when they’re younger, cruisers when the guys are older…You can actually see the process beginning with Wes and Grant as their reviews of cruisers gradually become more positive ;-)

          • Hooligan

            It has nothing to do with age. More to do with attitude, I’m over 60 and spank my Street Triple R everywhere. If I wanted a bike to go from one side of Europe to the other it would not be one of these lardy behomoths. It wouldn’t be a Beemer either – they are too unreliable these days. I also like slow travelling, but not on one of these chrome laden flashy gews gews.

            • Davidabl2

              Agreed, even though I’m over 60 myself :-) it’s way too much bike, with way too much chrome. Many americans feel that “if some is good, more’s better–and too much is just about right.” Today’s Harleys and Indians have moved a long way from their illustrious ancestors -and it’s all in the “more is more” direction, unfortunately.

          • grb

            I get you, I do love motocross and sportbikes, allot! but style wise for me nothing looks better then a well proportioned naked bike, and there are so many normal, naked, city or touring bikes that are superbly balanced, powerful, agile, comfortable, beautifully looking, great style, good taste, excellent everyday, etc. I dont see in which way this cruisers have any advantage over normal bikes, what ever your age group. And if you like classic design style then take a look at Triumph, Moto Guzzi, Norton, etc… how could you compare this?

            • Davidabl2

              Quoting myself “My original post about understanding cruisers better when one is middle aged was partly ironic — but a helluva lot of people seem to fall into that category. I can see that you don’t and Hooligan doesn’t either…

            • Davidabl2

              As classic design they don’t compare.

              But this does:


              For Indian it’s been downhill ever since.

              “naked, city or touring bikes that are superbly balanced, powerful, agile, comfortable, beautifully looking, great style, good taste, excellent everyday, etc. ”

              That Youtube 1940 Sport Scout (not technically a Chief) fit the bill –except for power and reliability..

              But if you take a look at the ancestor of of today’s cruisers..the 1936 EL “Knucklehead” WAS all of that in it’s heyday. And one of the reasons for Indians’ decline was that it couldn’t match any of it,except perhaps the style. Unfortunately the EL represents the last time the Mo-Co was ever ahead of the curve.

              Todays Indians, these new Indians and their “metric” imitators have lost more than they’ve gained from their ancestors. I have ridden beside a Knucklehead that was being pushed to it’s limits–and I was pushing a “metric” fairly hard.

          • grb

            Oh, and I’ll let wes and grant answer that but I think they’re just trying to do good journalism and open up to a bigger audience, at the same time supporting the industry while she picks her self up. And if deep down they do like cruisers, well then that only means we have more victims of bad taste and the american dream ;)

            • Wes Siler

              Grant is in no way affiliated with RideApart.

              RideApart is a consumer portal covering the entire spectrum of motorcycling. Cruisers are a part of that world. Reviews of that segment are handled by Tim Watson, RideApart’s cruiser editor.

          • Piglet2010

            Why not get a retro bike that actually goes, turns, and stops like a proper motorcycle if you are middle aged and want to be seen on something “cool”? Honda CB1100, Moto Guzzi V7, Triumph Bonnie/SE will all provide a better riding experience than a cruiser with 25° of lean angle clearance, wooden brakes, and an engine that wheezes above 4,000 rpm.

            • Davidabl2

              My original post about understanding cruisers better when one is middle aged was partly ironic — but a helluva lot of people seem to fall into that category.

            • Ken Lindsay

              Piggy, you may not understand this, but where I was raised, everyone wanted a HD. We were raised with the sound of that engine and that is what you aspired to ride. Performance , other than off the line, wasn’t a big deal. The speed limit is the speed limit. A 125 will get you there. But that engine sound is as sweet as the growl of a late 60′s muscle car. It’s a status symbol. We bought Japanese versions until we could afford the Harley of your boyhood dreams.

              Personally, my dreams changed when I moved to an island. I rediscovered DS bikes and haven’t looked back. I don’t want a Harley anymore, but I still love the sound…

              • Piglet2010

                I know lots of people want a H-D, but intuitively I fail to see why (Topper scooters excepted).

                And my boss (a non rider) said the open pipes on a cow-orker’s Dyna-Glide sounded more like “Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t” than “potato, potato” to him. And I find the uneven firing order disturbing, as it makes me feel that the engine has a miss.

                People even seem to pay more attention to a new generation Bonnie these days; likely because every accountant, lawyer, dentist and his dog has a H-D.

        • Pablo Perez

          Yes, only like people that think exactly like you are legit. There is not enough room in this world for diversity in the motorcycle community! I know you really know where ‘it’ is at… mostly because of your super cool posts judging others that don’t think like you.

      • Piglet2010

        H-D has been exporting about 60 thousand bikes per year in recent years, or about 20% of their production. Whether that should be called “extremely well” is a matter of debate.

        • Chris Hunter

          The correct figures for the past few years are c.80-87,000 bikes exported, or around 35% of total production.

          With the exception of the Chinese manufacturers and the SE Asian factories, this is extremely good performance indeed.

          To put that into context, BMW’s entire global motorcycle sales in 2012 were just over 100,000.

          • Piglet2010

            Honda sold about 220 thousand motorcycles in Japan in 2012, and 12.559 million worldwide. By value, 96.4% of sales were outside Japan (or $13.02 billion of $13.76 billion).

            • Marc

              That’s across Honda’s entire line, at an average selling price of about $1100. Not exactly relevant to H-D’s business success. Look at motorcycles that sell at over $10k. Chris is right – Harley sells almost as many motorcycles outside the US as BMW sells, total. More impressively, Harley sells TWICE as many motorcycles outside the US as Ducati sells, total. The original argument was that only Americans are vulgar enough to buy a Harley. Seeing as there are more non-Americans on H-D’s than Ducati’s and probably BMWs, that argument is wrong.

    • Pablo Perez

      Yes, I totally agree with you. Only fake motorcyclists would hop on one of these and go on a fake ride across their fake country on fake highways. BECAUSE SMALL PENIS! If you aren’t dressed like a neon Power Ranger, you’re doing it wrong. #EuroTrashKnowsBest

  • Michael Uhlarik

    Congratulations to Polaris for making an American cruiser with engineering from the late 20th century. This is not a sarcastic comment, but rather an exclamation of relief. I despise the name, logo, iconography and the desperation of the whole retro-pastiche, but I applaud the company for professional, contemporary execution.

    • Piglet2010

      Maybe retro would not be so popular if so many modern motorcycles were not so ugly, i.e. Triumph Bonnie vs. Street Triple. The latter is the better performer by far and better value for the money, but has no appeal otherwise.

      • Richard Gozinya

        That’s really a bad example, as plenty of people really dig the looks of the Striple. Retro’s popular for its own reasons, mainly sentimentality. As for something being better looking than something else, that’s way too subjective. For example, I find these Indians to be utterly hideous on every conceivable level, but clearly I’m not the target demographic.

        I’m sure lots of fat old racists will love these things, though. I mean really, introducing the new Indian at Sturgis, an event that continually goes out of its way to offend the Sioux Nation. One can only conclude that Polaris is trying to capitalize on that.

        • Davidabl2

          Are you so sure that Sturgis “continually goes out of its way to offend the Sioux Nation?” It’s been going on for like sixty years or so..back in a time when “offending the Sioux Nation” or not offending them wasn’t an issue yet.

          • Marc

            Because we all know 60 years ago, motorcycle riders were incredibly sensitive to Native Americans. It’s only in the politically correct 90s that unemployment, substance abuse, and discontent over allotted reservation territories became problems. At least it must be recent, because it was never in the news until recently.

        • Chris Hunter

          I’m starting to wonder if ‘retro’ is the right word to use in the context of motorcycles like this, or the Bonneville or Guzzi’s V7.

          Motorcycles didn’t really change their looks much until the 1970s, and then changed hugely in the 80s and 90s with the advent of plastic bodywork. And the visual changes over the past 20 years have been mostly skin deep. The average person on the street wouldn’t know if a bike was built in 1993 or 2013.

          Maybe it’s more about being ‘timeless’ or ‘classic’ rather than ‘retro.’ I do not like classic cruiser looks, but I do like like roadster looks.

          • Piglet2010

            Well, the current Bonnie T-100 was modeled after the late 1960′s version of the T-120, and the base and SE Bonnie after the T-140, so retro fits.

        • Lee Scuppers

          “Fat old racists”?

          OK, so it’s not about bikes, it’s about your need to run around in public telling everybody you’re better than some perfectly homogeneous vast group of people you’ve never met (and don’t need to, because they’re all clones anyhow).

          Not that you’re projecting or anything.

          Personally, I keep seeing fat white people on sportbikes recently. No, seriously, that’s a fact. It’s weird but true. But so maybe that means everybody on a sportbike is a racist! If I start squeaking excitedly about how they’re racists, will that make me as cool as you? Cool, let’s go!

          • Piglet2010

            Last time I did a charity ride, there were quite a few people who appeared to be of partial Sub-Saharan African descent on Harley-Davidson cruisers – better tell them they are being racist.

  • motoguru.

    One Chieftain in blue for me!

  • Richard Gozinya

    If people insist on reviving defunct motorcycle companies, the least they could do would be to revive something cool, like Crocker.

    • Davidabl2

      Several attempts to revive Crocker are being made. One by a small company in L.A. that owns the name,and at least one other to build Crocker replicas in Australia.
      Then of course if you’re talking about non-American motorcycles there is Norton. And Brough-Superior as well…

  • Lou Turicik

    Glad to see more competition and variety in the marketplace. I’d never consider this bike, but its appeal is absolute and obvious.

    Side note: That fairing is godawful.

  • Ehsan Rauf

    Not completely a Harley clone but they could do better with the fairings. On that note… GIVE ME MY INDIAN SCOUT!!!

  • roma258

    Is it me, or is the Chief Classic kind of good looking?

  • Hooligan

    Sorry, very ugly, overweight, what happens when you want to go round a corner? You have to set up a meeting to discus the matter twenty minutes before you get there?. A classic American vehicle.

  • Chris Cope

    The thing I like most are the headlights on the Chief Classic. They remind me of the invading spaceships from the 50s version of “War of the Worlds” — as if the bike comes equipped with a laser death ray (replete with leather-fringe trigger tassell, of course). Obviously, it’s a bike that’s not going to appeal to you if you don’t already like these type of bikes. If you swear by your BMW GS, this thing isn’t going to change your mind. But it does appear to be superior to a Harley-Davidson with the similar “heritage” intangible. And i love it. The question I have now is: what happens to Victory?

    • Piglet2010

      I hope to see dual-sport/AT and standard bikes from Victory, and maybe even a sport standard and sport-tourer, now that Indian is the H-D competitor.

      • Chris Cope

        I’d love to see that. Certainly with Polaris as a parent company they’ve already got a strong knowledge base in terms of off-road-type vehicles. And it fits the AMERICAN persona the company seems really keen to project: what’s more American than being able to tear across multiple terrains? I’m really hopeful for both companies but it seems obvious that Victory is going to have to refocus.

  • HoldenL

    “…along with apparel, parts and accessories.”

    Ha ha ha! Gotta have the apparel and accessories!

  • Versys Jake

    They need to make an entry level scout that will appeal to the younger crowd at the sportster/bolt price point. Then things would get interesting.

    • thegreyman

      I concur. Something hip.

    • Clint Keener

      YES! It will never happen unfortunately.

      • BillW

        I’m sure it will happen, IF they can sell enough of these to start making money. But I would bet an entry-level bike is already on the drawing board (by which I mean CAD screen, of course).

        Will they sell enough of these? I don’t know. To me they’re just Harley FLs with valenced fenders, something the world really didn’t need.

  • Bruce Anderson

    I’m still getting used to this new fairing style, didn’t like fairing when it first appear on Harley’s, now every HD has one. I’d perfer another style but in saying this, 111 cu in under $24K usd with all the standard equipment out the door?!? amazing price, what is my beloved HD company going to do to match these prices…better have a sale to compete otherwise they will find themselves looking in from outside Indian dealers. Canadians buy HDs like crazy, I don’t know why overpriced pieces of road crap, brand new ones have major engine issue’s before they see 5K kms, but its the “image” buyers who don’t care about performance get sucked into, I have owned Electra Glide and softails over the years but this is going to revolutionary the bagger market at these out the door prices! Which is great for the consumers and my bank manager. ;)

    • Davidabl2

      Having real domestic competition could be what saves H.-D. from itself. More pressure to build better,cheaper bikes that appeal to a younger demographic. So that the MotorCompany doesn’t just age and fade away along with it’s current customers. The desire to continue grow it’s export market should push it in the same direction. It occurs to me that the same is true of Harley’s counterpart in India, Royal Enfield :-)

  • MOEditorial

    If Tim were at the press launch, he would know that the fringe is attached by Velcro. ;) Easily removable.

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  • LS650

    Apparently those fringes are held on with Velcro and are removable (!).

  • Pablo Perez

    I ride Harley’s, I’m afraid there’s more truth to your statement than I’d like to admit. See: XLCR 1000, FXR, FXDX, VRCR, XR 1200. All more competent than your standard HD to varying degrees. None were very popular.

  • Smitty

    I;ve been riding over thirty years now..I never got into “Sport Riding” bikes made from Japan,which are by the way race bikes in a crate. This is a fact. Touring the U.S.A. on an Harley or indian is the most awesome privledge their is. I can’t see touring on a sport bike doing 120+ enjoyable, when in fact your focus is completely on driving and not seeing the countryside of America. So you have a race bike made in Japan that is fast and quick. Big Deal. I am a proud American and don’t forget the fact, that if it wasn’t for Americans building motorcycles first, the forgien Countries ,probably wouldn’t have ever built their bikes, because they stolen our ideas and capitalized on it…By the way, a lot of guys can “trick ride” on Harleys….