New Yamaha Sports Tourer In The Works?

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New Yamaha Sports Tourer

It would appear that Yamaha may be planning on adding an entry level sports touring motorcycle to its FJ line-up, using the FZ-09’s three cylinder engine, after the company recently applied to trademark the FJ-09 name in the U.S.

Yamaha has said in the past it would consider using the 115 hp, 847 cc triple engine in other models too, but has not officially confirmed when it will do this or the segment that it would specifically use it in.

The FZ-09’s engine received praise from the media at the bike’s international introduction last year for being user friendly and fun. It features ride-by-wire and staggered intake funnels which help produce power at both low and high end revs. The liquid-cooled, in-line 3-cylinder, DOHC, 12-valve unit is fuel injected and develops 65 ft/lb torque and features Yamaha’s ‘Crossplane Crankshaft Concept’ a 120 degree crank, which according to the company offers ‘linear torque development in response to the rider’s throttle input’.

Yamaha FZ-09 Motor

At the end of last month, Yamaha submitted an application to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to use the FJ-09 name for ‘motorcycles, scooters, three-wheeled scooters and structural parts for all the aforesaid goods’. However, there were no specific details of the motorcycle it would be used for. Other motorcycle manufacturers have used this route as well in the U.S. before launching an all-new model.

The FJ name has traditionally been used for various Yamaha sports tourer bikes (FJ1200 and FJ1100) and the company currently has just two models in its U.S. line-up  – the recently launched four-cylinder FJ1300 ES ($16,890) and the FJ1300A ($15,890).

It would therefore make sense for Yamaha to add a third sports tourer to the FJ range with an entry level specification and lower price to attract new riders. Like all manufacturers, Yamaha will not comment on future product introductions. Watch this space.

  • Justin McClintock

    Interesting. Maybe they’ll do something a little outside the box and give it a belt. It’s already setup for a chain, so I think that’d be feasible, and would save a ton of money over trying to make it a shaft drive. And the belt would fit the sport tourer profile a bit better with lower maintenance.

  • mrniceguy715

    Love my FZ-09 but I am a sport tour guy at heart… so this would make me do some soul searching.

    • Bruce Steever

      How far do you get per tank?

  • Hooligan

    Ahh so Yamaha want a slice of the Triumph Tiger 800 market.

    • dinoSnake

      Not even close, really. I, briefly, looked at the Tiger 800 but the pseudo-dualsport livery, too tall than really required seat and narrower-for-the-street-than-ideal-thanks-to-being-psuedo-dualsport front tire took it off my list rather quickly. As per my previous post on RA, I had a long talk with a Yamaha factory rep at the International show just *begging* his company to create a sport-tourer out of the FZ-09, and mentioning the internet’s furor over such a potential model.

      Tiger 800? Been there, got the T-shirt, no thanks. “FJ-09″, an FZ-09 with a +1 larger fuel tank, ABS, saddlebags and a good fairing?

      Oh, yes please!!

      I’m sick and tired of this industry telling me during the past 5 years that I had three choices in touring: (a) massive cruiser tourer (what I kinda have now), (b) +1200cc +600 pound “sport-tourer” (yeah, “sport-tourer” at +600 pounds?) or (c) 33inch+ seat height “ADV adventure bike”. No to ALL of them and a pox on their houses, too. I’m going lighter, smaller, better and yet faster on my next bike if it’s the last thing I do. A few daring companies make midsized models – BMW and Honda (now) – but each one just misses the mark on not having enough engine to really do the job well and the only other under-600lb model out there is the BMW-R but it is rather tall for the displacement (something remedied this year, thankfully). I hoping for more than the BMW F800GT but a bit less than the BMW-R1200′s, and this FZ-09 sounds really great.

      • the antagonist

        Agreed! The F800GT is a fine bike, but it doesn’t have a lot of character. And at $12k (plus more for bags), you’re not getting a lot bang for your buck. The Interceptor has more character (and looks), but it’s even more expensive and weighs more to boot.

        If Yamaha can give me a lightweight tourer with an engaging motor, at less than $10k (bags and all, ready to ride), I’m in.

      • TP

        What about the Hyperstrada? That’s the only other bike I would consider in the same league as this potential FJ

        • dinoSnake

          When I both read the reviews and talked to the Ducati dealer they all go in one direction: nobody wants to recommend the Hyperstrada as a true, long-distance mount. The reviewers say that high speed road manners are twitchy and nervous and that the wind protection just isn’t that great, either. So sad, it is an awesomely-sized package :-(

      • blackcayman

        and that F800 GT is a buzzy vertical twin and it’s not cheap

      • Send Margaritas

        “(b) +1200cc +600 pound “sport-tourer” (yeah, “sport-tourer” at +600 pounds?)”Ever ride an FJR? Exactly that description. You might be surprised and like them.

  • Stephen Miller

    Hmm… I was hoping for a 900cc Tenere.

    • MichaelEhrgott

      I kind of was too but this thing could be a blast.

    • Bruce Steever

      Wait…but it probably won’t say Tenere on its side when it comes.

      • Piglet2010

        Or “Ténéré”.

        • Bruce Steever

          But those accents are sooooo harddddd…

          • Piglet2010

            Not for someone who rides a Honda Deauville. ;)

  • di0genes

    Hmmm if a lighter sport touring MC with 115 ponies is entry level, what is exit level? Whatever, it got my attention :-)

    • dinoSnake

      Right? Somehow we’re all supposed to be riding +150hp monsters and thank our lucky stars that they were so gracious to offer us these barges in the first place.

    • blackcayman

      since most STs are 600-700-800 lbs…I’ll take an entry level @ 450 lbs (wet weight please) everyday. Emphasis on the SPORT in SPORT-touring

      • KeithB

        I’ve had an St1100 and now and FJR 1300 and I would love a lighter, lower powered bike.
        However, more Tour than Sport.
        There are enough sport bikes you can strap luggage on.

        • blackcayman

          Keith….No, NO, NO – Let me explain further
          There are millions of Sportbikes, this is true. Please read on further and see what I’m blathering on about. What many of us want is Near Sportbike performance and handling in a comfy upright ergonomic “ST” riding position – Strapping on luggage wont solve the ergonomics!!!!! – For heavens sake…. Recently there have been some bikes get close to this; The BMW F800 GT &The MV Turismo Veloce come quickly to mind. But both have limiting factors…. The F800 GT has a buzzy veritcal twin & is too much quid for what it is. The MV is, well, an MV with sketchy fueling and no great dealer network. I love the Triumph Tiger 1050; the motor is excellent but the tallish suspension is not for me. Triumph could easily get my business with a Sprint with upright ergos, the Sprint 1050 GT had very near sportbike ergos, like a VFR….useless.
          I am proposing that part of the reason for the massive sales success of the ADV Bike segment are due to the uporight ergos. There is solid demographic of aging Motorcyclists (Not Harley Dudes) who have grown up riding standards and sportbikes who still want light nimble handling but don’t or can’t ride the crouch position for more than an hour.
          We demand a SPORT-touring bike with the ergos of an ST and the weight, performance and handling of a Sportbike. Its not too much to ask and the Free Market will deliver it.

        • Send Margaritas

          Keith You don’t like your FJR? Or you just want another lighter bike too?To me, the FJR was 150lbs less than what I’m used too.

  • Gabe Cosarca

    Light weight around 400 pounds, with minimal fairings count me in. I do not need hard luggage, gps docks, heated grips, 5 power outlets or a center stand for my sports touring riding. All that stuff should be optional.

    • Justin McClintock

      Then just buy the FZ-09.

  • scottdc

    So yamaha may make the triple powered sport-tourer that I’ve wished Triumph would make to replace the Sprint? Didn’t see that coming…

    • blackcayman

      I’ve been hoping this announcement would come since the FZ-09 broke cover…. I’m a big fan of the Tiger 1050 motor and ergos but don’t want the tall suspension. I like the idea of the Sprint 1050 but near sportbike ergos don’t make my 50 year old back happy. I hate this rendering of an FZ with a little after-thought bikini fairing….I’d like to see a real modernized set of ST fairings, adjustable windscreen and more usable factory hardbags.

  • MichaelEhrgott

    This is a mock up somebody did last year of the ideal mid-weight sports tourer using a FZ-09. It looks like Yamaha stood up and took notice. This might be my next bike.

    • mrniceguy715

      if they did that I would hope I could retrofit the windscreen to my FZ

    • TP

      It would be a shame to cover up that engine and frame with plastic. This render looks terrific

    • Rob M

      That thing is speaking to me. That color scheme, with ABS, where do I sign?

      • MichaelEhrgott

        Yeah I really love the white, but no ABS for me.

        • Stuki

          Any particular reason you would specifically not want ABS?

          • MichaelEhrgott

            I ride a lot of gravel and dirt roads. If ABS can be turned off easily then this is the best of both worlds in my opinion. Frankly I don’t like the higher price-tag it usually carries too. It’s a nice safety feature to have but like traction control I worry that if I “depend” on it I will lose what little skill I have. Nothing beats a sharp eye, keen wits, and smooth inputs.

            • Stuki

              I see what you’re saying. Given that Yammie’s lawyers wouldn’t even let the much more gravel focused S10 out the door with an ABS OFF switch, fat chance they’ll do so with a sports tourer…….

              The latest ABS is getting so darned good, though, that even KTM leaves it on (front wheel at least) in their latest ADV bike. I find both ABS and TC actually helps with learning traction management on differing surfaces, if that is what you are interested in. It still surprises me how much grip I actually have before ABS or TC kicks in, in conditions I would be very timid on in the pre rider aid days. For those with extensive dirt experience going in, who are less concerned about one end or the other sliding around a bit, this is probably less of an issue, I guess.

              • MichaelEhrgott

                For sure. The KTM 1190 is slowly changing my opinion on ABS/TC. I haven’t ridden one yet and probably won’t get the chance for quite a long time but I’m sure I’ll come around once I see how it all functions in the real world. The only time I’ve ever locked up the front on any bike was me being real stupid on my 2nd trackday ever. The rear is a much different story though. ;) I have grown quite comfortable with rear slides from dirt, warm tar snakes, etc…

                • Stuki

                  Ride one.

                  I’m as far from traditional KTM guy as it gets; and after riding one, I’ll probably end up getting one. Of course, since you’re already a KTM guy, you may well find it way too sterilized for your liking. It really is as friendly and puppydoggy as a 650 VStrom; just with magic carpet suspension, a rocket engine and the smoothest fueling and driveline of perhaps any bike, ever.

              • Piglet2010

                In testing by Adam Waheed at MotoUSA, 60-0 mph stopping distances were shockingly shorter *without* ABS on both the Ducati Panigale 899 (119.9 and 145.7 feet) and KTM 1290 Super Duke R (99.1 and135.5 feet) – yes I would want ABS in the rain or questionable road surfaces, but on dry pavement the answer is no until this gap is narrowed.

                • Stuki

                  I can certainly understand that. I’ve spent about the past two decades letting my threshold braking skills deteriorate sans abs, plus rarely have felt I’ve lacked stopping power on dry pavement since the demise of BMWs disbanded “power brakes” experiment a decade ago. Hence, on balance, dramatically prefer ABS.

                  The weird thing is, is seems as if the difference in stopping distance with and without ABS has gone up recently, rather than down. For awhile, it looked like ABS was getting closer and closer every year, but tests like the ones you are referring to show the opposite now is true.

                  Wonder if it has to do with tires now being so grippy that it is no longer lockup that is causing ABS to cycle brakes off, but rather rear lift. And that rear lift sensors and algorithms are further from optimal, than their better researched (think cars) lockup cousins.

                  Of course, it could well be that the optimal intervention point for rear lift is highly dependent on whether the rider is likely to be able to keep the rear from coming around if the bike gets too light in the rear. In a panic stop in the middle of traffic. Which is, of course, rider dependent. Hence a much more fluid engineering goal than lockup prevention, which is always good for straight line braking on solid surfaces. Say, for example Waheed may be able to ride a micrometer stoppie for half a mile during limit braking on a track. But Yours Truly, when faced with stopping as fast as possible in traffic (or even for a turn on a track), if equipped with similar abs calibration, would not have enough directional stability in the rear to prevent the bike coming around. Hence would benefit from slightly less hard braking, allowing the rear to remain spinning and with enough weight to stay behind the front.

                  Just speculating. But the sheer magnitude of the differences reported in the tests you referred to, pretty much guarantees the bike makers test riders are experiencing the same things. Yet the makers do nothing about it; even on two of the most highly developed and expensive (hence most likely to be owned by lawyers :) ) bikes on the market.

    • RyYYZ

      Looks pretty good. I’d extend the tail (and maybe the wheelbase) a little to add a built-in luggage rack. Would also be nice to see provision for a centerstand (FZ-09 has none, right?) – for touring use it’s really nice to be able to do chain lubing and/or adjustments while travelling, which a centerstand makes much easier.

    • hunkyleepickle

      That mockup is calling to me. Those colour matched, low profile bags, that lovely mini fairing and screen…..this is the sport tourer i’ve been looking for.

  • michael franklin

    Hope they fix the too touchy throttle control first.

    • hunkyleepickle

      thats mostly an ECU issue no? Should be ironed out with an upcoming reflash i would imagine….

    • Mark D

      That’s nothing a little over-rich ECU flash couldn’t fix.

  • hunkyleepickle

    I’ll stand by for a full on sport bike, a la the daytona, with this lovely engine and some top spec parts. Now that would get my attention!

  • KC

    Count me in for a lightweight, sub-1 liter sports tourer!

  • John White

    The low-displacement power cruiser has been dead for a decade now stateside. I may be in a tiny minority, but please Yamaha? Pretty please?

    • Justin McClintock

      I don’t know that this is really the engine for that application though. For one, it’d just look plain weird in a cruiser. It’s not Magna, that’s for sure.

  • deckard

    Please don’t make it another wannabe adventure bike, and Yamaha will get my money.

  • blackcayman

    They heard all my prattling on…I guess

    So its finally here; well the idea at least. The proof will be in the pudding. If its “real”, it will be the first “New” bike I’ve ever purchased, because life is short and I want one. I usually buy that 3-4 year old garage queen, in 99% perfect condition with low miles that I pick up for in the off season.

    Stlying wise I HOPE its way more updated and modern than the current refreshed FJR1300….something closer to the MV Turismo Veloce than the current FJR… Because I still want to hang with the 30 year old sportbike riders in the USBA, rather than the 60 year old Harley dudes

    True upright “FJ” Ergos – “ever so slight forward lean”
    ABS & Traction Control
    450 lb Maximun Wet Weight Please – before optional luggage
    More than a Bikini – “ST” Bodywork
    Adjustable windscreen, clean air to helmet
    25-30 Liter Factory Hard Bags – One Key Solution
    Big Piston Forks or similar
    Two Piece Seat
    Accessories Option Package (heated grips, plug in power slots & high output alternator)
    Easy-Peasy remote rear suspension dial
    Sounds like $11,499 – $11,999 to me…

    If it comes as I hope, a true Mid-Sized SPORT-tour ride, emphasis on light weight, nimble handling with ST ergos, I think it will find a solid demographic of buyers. I think they will be lifelong sportbike riders who still want sportbike performance but in a comfortable all day riding position. The other reason I think it will do well is it will be a one-bike-solution for many.

    It seemed to me that with every other bike that came near to this there was a limiting factor;

    Tiger 1050 – Tall Suspension
    MV Turismo Veloce – Price and lack of Dealer Network
    BMW F800 GT – Price and buzzy vertical twin (reknown brand reliability Question)
    VFRs – Near sportbike ergos
    Ninja 1000 – I know I’m a nit-picker on this one but I just don’t like it although it’s probably the closest thing…Electric Kwacker Paint? … and what 50 year old wants the “Ninja” moniker??? I was there when Tom Cruise busted out the Ninja in Top Gun back in the 80s… So just like at the end of Ferris Beuller – he says “It’s Over” (meaning the name Ninja).

    This bike would render the SV1000 N a lonely machine in the garage…so it will go to a new home. Normally I would shed a small single tear, but the new bike would just quash that sentiment.

    Bring it on!

    • SneakyJimmy

      If your prattling did it, please continue. I too think they could have a real winner on their hands as an entry level or what I would call the “intelligent tourer”. Keep the weight down and I’ll be in the purchase line as well.

      • blackcayman

        “Intelligent Tourer”…..That’s good. I’m in the same camp; 600-800 lb STs are not to my liking…. I like the light weight and sportbike handling to get my blood pumping.
        For big trips, we’ll just have to pack smart and light.

    • Piglet2010

      “Two Piece Seat”

      If that allows moving the top-box forward into the pillion space for better weight distribution, I would be all for it. Unless we are talking about someone that weighs 90 pounds and has a 24-inch inseam, the pillion of a true sport-tourer is no place to be for more than a few minutes.

      • blackcayman

        I want the two piece seat for two reasons; adjustability of factory seat for height or to easily replace the factory seat with a better made one, if necessary. In my case, this bike will be all about me, a pillion will be very rare as my wife riders her own bike.

  • Dave Ellisen

    What will it weigh? The difference between sport tour and a sport bike today is measured by the weight of the bike. Features mean nothing when they add weight. Unless the features mean more to you then the overall weight.