Video: Stay In Your Lane!

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Video: Stay In Your Lane

It seems from the video that Mel P gets his message across although it was a little reminiscent of the New York saga of last year where a group of motorcyclists confronted a Range Rover driver. The kids in the car were definitely wary of the motorcyclists and say nothing while Mel P makes some very good points to the young driver about his driving.

Ironically there is a twist in the video towards the end. For some totally inexplicable reason – and we assume on the same stretch of road – Mel P is confronted by a motorcycle in his lane coming straight towards him with pretty devastating results.

The footage is well worth a watch as it presents some strong evidence of the risks that we as motorcyclists face every time we start our bikes up and ride.

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  • Samushko L Tangerine

    I wonder what happened to the bike going other way in the wrong lane. I don’t want to wish bodily injury on anyone, but… I don’t know how to finish that sentence.

    • Adan Ova

      Most probable case of taking the curve too fast and braking out of fear, instead of leaning some more. It happened to me once in the past, fortunately, with no dire consequences.

    • Jimmy Cloak

      Mel P commented that the other rider was not hurt too badly (thankfully).

  • gabbar singh

    This biker was real courteous. These little f**kers don’t deserve courteousness.

    • Chris McAlevy

      Notice they didn’t show how they got the guy to stop. Guarantee it involved passing him across the double yellow and brake checking him.

      • Thomas Høj Jørgensen

        They do. There was a car stopped in front of them.

  • Aaron

    I always tell fellow riders to watch when they lean on that yellow because their head is now in the other lane. I’ve almost decapitated a few guys in my truck because they lean into oncoming traffic. This is a good message.

  • Archie

    The second half chilled me right to the bone. I’ve never been in or witnessed such a serious accident on my bike and can’t help but wonder if I would have the right instincts to avoid it. I can watch what happens in hindsight and confidently say that the rider – had he the instinct – could have counter steered out of the way and dodged the other rider in the time it took before they collided. Could I have, though? I never want to find out.

    • notfishing

      People don’t realize how little time you have to react when your closing speed is 120 + mph. My brother tried counter steering and they took his leg off below the knee. He would have been better off with maximum braking and “brace for impact”.

    • Ayabe

      Oh really? Which way would you have counter steered?

      Keep in mind the other guy has the make the same decision, if you both decide to go the same way, you’re both f’ed, which looks like what happened. They both juked a little not sure of which way the other was going.

      Yes it was avoidable, but no matter how good you are, if the other guy makes the same choice you do, it’s over.

      • Archie

        From what I’m seeing neither of them even attempted to dodge the other. They both rode straight at each other; classic target fixation. I’m of the opinion that the camera rider might have had the time to swerve into the opposite lane if he’d reacted fast enough. Either way, I feel incredibly sorry for him. As notfishing said, if you get even that wrong, you’re going to be no better off, if not worse.

        • 200 Fathoms

          No way. It was over before their brains could even process that it had started.

          • Samushko L Tangerine

            I have to agree 200. That happened in a fraction of a second, I don’t think anyone could have done much more than stand the bike up by a few inches and maybe start reaching for the brake.

            • akrokdesign

              isn’t there’s almost a 3 sec delay before any human would actual react. might not sound like a lot but at high speed, it is.

          • Archie

            You’re both probably right. Like I said to begin with, it’s just me sitting here wondering if it was at all avoidable. I watch things like this and always look for something that I can say “if this was done, it might have been avoided” to try and store in my head as a lesson to be learned. Here though, there really isn’t much to take away from it other than that if your time is up, that’s it.

          • cocoa classic

            Exactly. It’s easy to pass judgment or say that one or both riders should have done this or that when you’re watching it on a screen. Being there, in the event… so much happens so fast.

        • Strafer

          I was also looking at if anything could be done to avoid the collision
          In this case it was a disaster looks pretty much unavoidable for someone like me
          My tendency would be to try to move towards my right – the outside of the road – and hope the other rider goes in what is to me the “correct” direction which is back towards his own lane
          However in this situation the other rider does not go back towards his own lane – so it would have been the wrong choice to the right – problem is there was no time for even a hesitation to evaluate and go left

          • Joe

            Unfortunately, there is a way this could have been avoided. If both riders were traveling within the speed limit, they would have had an extra eternity of time to react. And he probably would have managed to keep it within his own lane. Real simple…. Save your hero impressions for the track.

  • 200 Fathoms

    Here’s a crazy idea: how about everyone slow down? Or go to a track? I can’t feel sorry for a rider who’s clearly going way over the speed limit and has no time to even attempt an evasive maneuver. Or in this case, *two* riders—one who didn’t know what he was doing, and one who was going too fast.

    • Samushko L Tangerine

      You can disapprove of his actions without being deliberately confrontational. Don’t pretend you stick to speed limits like a robot.

  • William Connor

    I have preached, yelled, chastised, discussed rationally and even given up at various times talking about this subject specifically. I find I feel like I cheated myself out of a great road when I take every turn and turn it into an opportunity to straight line the curve and waste the exhilaration of cutting that perfect line. Stay between your lines on the road and slow down, it will make that road a lot more technical than when you cut those corners.

    • Michael Love

      I totally agree with this, staying in your lane makes the road more challenging.

  • Phoneix_Ikki

    Looks like this happened in Norcal in unincorporated Alameda County near Lake Chabot area. RIP to his friend and this is truly a rider’s worst nightmare. Sad to say though, this type of riding into other’s lane could happen on any of the popular roads in SoCal in any given weekend. In fact, I am surprised you don’t hear more about this on Muholland

    • snarkylarky

      could easily happen anywhere in NorCal, this looks like basically every long mountain-y rode there.

  • http://www.paradox-labs.com/ wholypantalones

    Why is it necessary to make this a two page article with the video on the second page? I get that you need pageviews for ad revenue, but this is ridiculous.

    • Jack Meoph

      Stop your bitchin and get to clickin.

      • Apple

        C’mon man, you know you’d already seen it on Reddit before you saw it here anyway

    • Mugget

      This is what RA has become – monetized listicles. Better get used to it if you plan on sticking around…

  • Rameses the 2nd

    The idea of riding super sports on public roads has got to be one of the most stupid things ever. Yes, you might be a very good rider. You can probably put your knee down, lean properly and stay in your lane, but as the video clearly showed, you can’t control how others behave on the road and when you are going this fast on a sports bike you have no time to react. Slow down and if you really need speed, please go to your local race track.

    • akaaccount

      I’m inclined to agree with you. I’ve done it and it’s tons of fun but there’s always a little bit inside me that says it’s going to go badly one day. I just had a friend almost lose a leg a few weeks ago doing this – he wasn’t at fault by the way – and it could have just as easily been me. At this point I’ll take touring over sport riding unless I can get on a track.

    • http://assfaultjunkies.com RC51guy

      I have to agree with you. Most of the wrecks I’ve seen or be in that happened on the road were the fault of someone or something else [grass clippings covering the road, bails of hay, oil spill, etc.]

      I’ve given up riding on the road, I’m looking for what could take me out next that I lost all the fun it use to be. I’d rather go to a track day or the kart track. That way I can concentrate on going fast and have more fun!!!

      • Michael Howard

        Unlike the track, the challenge of riding on the road isn’t so much about your skill operating the motorcycle, but your skills of situational awareness, anticipating others’ actions, and reading the changing traffic and road conditions. Like you, many very good riders – professional racers included – do not ride on public roads because there are just too many variables beyond their control.

        • Csorin

          I’m with you guys on this. Used to ride like an idiot on public roads in both supersport trim and naked trim. The Street Triple is now a track bike and my daily is a Triumph Explorer. The big girl scoots like a cut cat when it needs to, but she’s setup for touring and enjoying the scenery rather than knee down canyon carving. For high speed kicks, I go to the track. There’s no joy in taking a blind corner with no idea what awaits on the other side. Now hitting a corner just right that you’ve been working on all day at the track, priceless.

    • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

      There are ways to ride on the road and practice safely. You leave a margin for error, just as you would at the track.

      • Rameses the 2nd

        Well, at least you don’t have pot holes, oil spills, and random ice patches / misc debris on track and when you are going over 100 mph you can be 100% certain that a SUV is not going to show up on your side at the next blind corner. I don’t have anything against sports bikes, but insane fast speeds and super sports bike don’t belong on public streets. 90% of these “oh fvck” moment videos on YouTube are from some street version of “John McGuinness” doing TT speeds on public roads and thinking out loud that everyone except him is an idiot.

        • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

          Around here we sweep the corners ourselves. Everything we can control we do control. That’s how you’ve gotta do it.

          • Piglet2010

            > “Around here we sweep the corners ourselves.”

            Did you pool your money and buy an Elgin Pelican?

            • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

              More like a broom we hide in a tree at an undisclosed hangout spot. The sweepers just move gravel into the middle of the road.

              • Piglet2010

                Around here (Upper Midwest), you quickly learn to use a line that avoids the outer 3 feet or so of the paved area, unless you enjoy crashing.

                • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

                  That doesnt matter

                • Piglet2010

                  Learning to enjoy crashing is a good thing, eh?

                • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

                  It doesn’t matter where in the road you ride if the sweepers move the gravel into the middle of the road. That’s what i said. If you plan on riding that road you’ll have to sweep it before trucks move it around.

        • artist_formally_known_as_cWj

          Overall point: ride/drive/pedal/walk/run like you’re on a closed, well-maintained course when you are on a closed, well-maintained course.

          And ride/drive/pedal/walk/run like you are on a public thoroughfare when you are on a public thoroughfare.

          (hidden brooms notwithstanding)

          No?

  • Maximus

    If I were going to convince someone to pull over to educate them, I would have then turned off my bike and taken off my helmet. Multiple people yelling simultaneously while engines are rumbling and fingers are pointing isn’t going to yield good results, in my opinion.

    • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

      I know the folks in thevideo. I know the road, the riders that have died on that same road from teenagers in hondas just like that. Thisis the BEST case scenario.

    • Gonfern

      lol good point. Thats how people get run over by SUVs.

    • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

      I don’t know why my other comment never cleared moderation so I’ll try to reconstruct it.

      It’s easy to nitpick and be a critic on the internet. It’s probably the easiest thing you can do. It’s a lot harder to be a journalist, interview the maker of the video for a quick comment and post something of value to riders, rather than make a tabloid of this by posting my bud’s video with the snide comment “this is reminiscent of the New York incident.” How’s that, Tim? How is this similar? Because they’re on sport bikes? Because there’s three of them riding on the road together, so it’s a group? We already know you have a distaste for sport bikes and group rides. I don’t think we need you interjecting more of your inflammatory anti-all-other-motorcyclist seepage into the minds of others.

      I know the guys in this video. I know the deaths Melvin is referring to. One was a few years ago, Former AFM president Joe Montoya. He was hit by a teenager trying to drift a FWD white Honda on this very road. The kid lost control of his car and nailed Joe in his own lane. A few months ago, someone who could’ve been you, Max— software engineer, Ducatisti, nicest guy in the world, very talented rider— was also hit head-on and killed in his own lane. To our horror, it happened again on the same road,by another teenager, in another FWD white honda, trying to drift, losing control, and hitting him in his own lane.

      The incident at the end is melvin being taken out last summer by a kid on a buell who went WOT on the straight then lost it in the next turn.

      So believe me when I say what you see in the video is the BEST CASE SCENARIO for what could’ve happened. It may be easy for you to critique helmets on and bikes not turned off, but would you have taken your helmet off or killed your engine if you saw ANOTHER bunch of teenagers in ANOTHER white honda driving into oncoming traffic? Probably not. And here’s the thing: that kid was GOING to kill someone that day. There’s plenty of traffic on this road on the weekends. His brakes were on FIRE from slamming on them before every turn, there was nothing left to stop the car. And very likely they were all stoned. Al, the second guy in the video told me they all looked like they just woke up.

      I’m writing all of this because I want you all to respect the effort motorcyclists put in to police their roads and make it safer for everyone. Cops can’t be there all the time. There’s no corner workers, nobody else to sweep gravel or dirt off the road. Next time you ride a canyon, think about how great it is, and who’s putting in the work to keep it that way.

      • Tim Watson

        I beginning to think you have some personal issue with me. Not sure what it is – but yeah I’ve seen your blog about me. Yes you have an opinion and absolutely you’re entitled to it. Doesn’t mean you’re always right though. Frankly I’m getting a little tired of you making this so personal.

        • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

          I’m just day in day out disappointed. That’s all.

          • Tim Watson

            Well why do you keep coming back if you’re so disappointed with this site? You have absolutely no idea of the effort and time our tiny team puts into RideApart. Yet you spend your time sniping at the sidelines and particularly at me. I’ve seen your work and feel you should write something for RA and then we can judge your writing and editorial abilities and then see how good and informed you really are.

            • Send Margaritas

              Tim, seriously, who cares what either Kr Tong or Piglet2010, thinks? They’re the two most obnoxious folks on the site.If you wrestle with a pig, you just get covered in sheet, and the pig enjoys it.

              • Tim Watson

                Ha ha ha!!1 Thank you.

              • Piglet2010

                Would you like some cheese?

          • Tim Watson

            So apart from applauding “your crew” for posting the video of them taking a stand against a dangerous driver, I am wrong to say it was reminiscent (note the word reminiscent NOT like) of the NY saga of last year. Clearly it was confrontational for the car driver as he is neither willing to get out of the car or fully roll down his window. I also would like you to know, although you will no doubt use this too to publicly criticize me, that I have never and will never go to Subway.

            • Piglet2010

              All I can say if a group of non-police motorcyclists attempted to force me to a stop on a public highway, things would very likely not end well.

        • Piglet2010

          > “but yeah I’ve seen your blog about me.”

          This?

          “…We’ve gone from full-fledged 24/7 motorcyclists, track bike riders, and adventure tourers to Tim Watson.
          A cruiser guy. He’s uninspired: hates riding with other motorcyclists,
          hates sportbikes, hates lanesplitting and has absolutely no clue when it
          comes to product reviews or really, what to write about apart from a.)
          how much things bother him or b.) things he doesn’t give a sh[]t about.
          His reviews are useless. “this bike is good” or “this jacket is good”
          but he’s an outsider. His career in journalism is mostly writing pr
          press releases for the car industry— And his opinions come from someone
          with as little knowledge as possible to review something….” – Kr Tong

          • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

            piglets trollin now. that was not posted on ra for a reason.

            • Piglet2010

              Normal rules of etiquette would be anything posted on a public website is free to quote within “Fair Use” limitations – if the same material had been posted to a closed group or by email I certainly would not have quoted it.

              If you do not want something spread around, do not post it to a place where a search engine can find it and anyone can view it.

              • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

                Thats not why you posted it and definitely not why i care.

                • Piglet2010

                  If you do not have a problem with what you wrote, why are you so concerned about it being shared?

                  Be proud of your opinions!

                  And as for your guessing at my motives, you are completely clueless in the matter.

                • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

                  God you’re dumb. There isnt a person on this planet who doesnt think I am proud of my own opinions.

                • Piglet2010

                  No, your guess is not even close to the truth. :D

                  Look in the mirror to find out why.

          • Tim Watson

            Ha ha ha… yep that’s the one.

          • Send Margaritas

            How kind of you to post that Piglet.A real class act.

            • Piglet2010

              What part of not posting things in public that you do not want repeated elsewhere do you people not understand?

      • Maximus

        I agree the riders made an effort to educate the driver. I’m glad they did and hope one day I do not find myself facing a driver that has crossed the double yellow lines. I’ve seen it happen and have luckily been far enough in my own lane or had enough time to react.

        I also agree this is a tough situation to try to explain to the driver how his actions could result in a death while making sure you yourself are safe on the bikes. My point was the driver won’t take it seriously because to him, the riders are face-less “jerks” on a loud machine.

        Riders are so often seen as being reckless and insensitive to others on the road, so we have to overcome that hurdle in order to be taken seriously.

        That’s all, man, not condemning the riders that tried to do the right thing here. Just voicing my opinion that it unfortunately may not be as effective as we would hope with helmets and engines on.

        • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

          Yeah I’m not blaming you for what you said. Your response makes sense to the information that was given.

  • Davidabl2

    The photo above shows that not only does the motorcyclist have to stay in his lane, he had better stay in the right HALF of his lane-at least at the apex ;-(
    Doing so makes “canyon carving’ even more of a challenge doesn’t it?

  • Chris McAlevy

    Notice that they cut out the part where they get the guy to stop. I guarantee it involved passing him across the double yellow and surrounding/brake checking him.

    Also notice that he leans his head over the double yellow while turning, effectively leaving his lane. It’s ok to ride so fast that you don’t have time to take evasive maneuvers (he specifically says “sure, go fast, but stay in control”), and it’s ok for motorcyclists to go over the line, but it’s not ok for a car to do it? The cognitive dissonance here is staggering.

    In general, I’m on the motorcyclists’ side in a situation like this, but these guys are absolutely not completely blameless.

    • Mark

      Plus he bashes the kid for smiling…so what he probably couldn’t hear a word he said wearing a Helmet, one motorcycle still running and a window mostly up. I be smiling too wondering WTF are they saying…LOL

      • Piglet2010

        > “…wondering WTF are they saying…”

        Reminded me of an adult in a Peanuts animation.

    • Piglet2010

      > “…and surrounding/brake checking him….”

      That usually turn out well, no?

  • Justin

    Im pretty certain that is Redwood Road in Castro Valley, CA

    • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

      Shhhh

    • Aaron Baumann

      ;-)

  • akrokdesign

    i love how people always say “take it to the track”. that’s a good option but not a solution. Make it harder to get a lic. in the first place. Build better roads. Might be a good start.

    • SB Son

      Uh, actually it IS a solution. If either of them were on the track instead of speeding down a highly trafficked public road (a road he already knew was extremely dangerous, given his reprimand video AND the death of his friend) this wouldn’t have happened. At the very least it’s a much more reasonable solution than “build better roads”…hahaha

      • akrokdesign

        ok. make it happen.

        • SB Son

          Hahaha…’make it happen’? I can’t ‘make it happen’ any more than you can make new roads happen. Just a guess, you’re late teens / early twenties? Only one thing makes road safety happen, and it isn’t cops or better roads, it’s personal responsibility. Something that is in shorter and shorter supply these days…which is evidenced by your ‘let someone else fix it’ attitude. You want safer roads, be a safer rider. Best anyone can do.

          • akrokdesign

            hah. early twenties, i wish. :-) i do agree that it’s up to each other person, to ride safe (fast or slow).

  • SB Son

    This all happened on the Redwood Rd. Loop in San Ramon in NorCal…if anyone’s interested. It looks like an incredibly dangerous piece of road. I ride the 33 in Ojai and a lot of people die there as well, but I’ve never seen this level of idiocy on its worst day. If he was able to capture this much dipshitery on camera it probably happens A LOT more often. They can have it.

    • Jack Meoph

      HWY 33 on the weekends, during the summer, is nothing more than a race track. I’ve had motorcycles come at me, over the DY, and was glad that I practice what I preach, which is late apex. Lucky for me, I’m retired and can go there during the week, because let’s face it, 33 is fricking awesome!!!! And the other roads around it are sweet as well.

      Also, I was thinking that if they hadn’t stopped to lecture that ahole in the car, they would have probably been by that corner and who knows who that guy would have hit, if anyone.

  • Jack Meoph

    There is the race line, and there is the street line, and the street line is always late apex. I’d rather go off the road than into the front of an oncoming vehicle. On the back roads that I ride there is always someone cheating the corners, always. I’ve been left with little more than a foot of asphalt on numerous occasions. Scary.

  • Stevie Weavie

    I’m not sure which road this is, but I am quite sure this is not Redwood Road from Castro Valley to Skyline Blvd in Oakland. I thought the same thing at first, but I watched the video a few more times. I ride that road regularly and this video doesn’t match up to Redwood Road. It does look very much like the East Bay hills and might be one of the other roads up there that I’m not as familiar with, like Pinehurst Road or Skyline Blvd.

  • hunkyleepickle

    There are so many angles to discus about this video, and definitely lessons to be learned by riders and drivers, but the one thing no one ever seems to mention is that the common factor in so so many accidents, and thats excessive speed. No matter how skilled you are, your speed will ultimately dictate how much time you have to react in a bad situation. Right speed for the road, conditions, posted limit, rider skill. I’m not going to sit here and say i never exceed the posted limit, as i’m sure most riders do, some more than others. Drivers, i very rarely see them doing the posted limit. Whether or not you agree with the posted limit is kind of irrelevant really, because every time you ride/drive above it, regardless of other factors, you’re cutting way down on your reaction time, and being on the road becomes more dangerous for everyone, regardless of any other variable.

  • http://hijosrides.tumblr.com/ Exwai

    C’mon Watson… this two page article with the video on the secon page is just idiotic. Are you really that desperate for page visit counts?

    • Tim Watson

      Don’t shoot the messenger! I don’t decide the layout/no of pages for articles. So give me a break!

  • RyYYZ

    I suspect talking to people about this is probably pointless – it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that crossing over the yellow on tight lefts, especially blind ones, is risking a head-on collision. Just like it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain (or should be) that trying to drive while staring at a little screen in your hands is just asking for it. People who do these things either just don’t care about the safety of themselves or other road users, or believe that they’ve got it under control and everything will be OK.

    Crossing over the yellow like this was doing should result in a dangerous driving charge (i.e. severe administrative penalty, or minor criminal), and those who cause accidents while doing it should be charged with murder (negligent homicide, I suppose). That goes for drivers and riders, although riders who constantly do this will likely pay the ultimate price some day, anyway.

    • http://krtong.com/ Kr Tong

      We think we can get the license plate from the rest of Melvin’s footage and are considering reporting the incident to the police. There’s a little bit of a ripple within the group whether it’s the best thing for us to do. I tend to think that teenagers do these things because they have never been told not to do it and why from an actual pier: someone who’s there, on the road with them. Where do kids go to learn how to drive on the streets? Movies, video games, and other teenagers. All of which display crossing DY’s as an inherent danger of driving fast. We’d love to turn this road into a safe haven but how do you get the word out about the rules of the road BEFORE accidents occur?

  • Boredinmin

    Sure, car driver need to be much more mindful of how their driving. But, speeding on sweeping, blind corners on a bike also puts you in a very vulnerable position where you can’t react to prevent a crash. Nobody in those videos was riding defensively. To me, the second video of the rider racing through corners is insane and borderline suicidal. This is what the race track is for. Book some time and leave the high speed stuff off the road.

  • Pete Hemlock

    Knobbies can solve these problems. They keep your speed down and there’s no dooshes in daddy’s 3 series on fire roads.

  • uberbox

    This is very reason I’m not excited about street riding anymore…I live in Colorado and every time I drive my car up our local canyons I have at least one incident with someone coming at me not staying in their lane. If I could afford to ride at a race track all the time I might be more interested, but the danger element on the road is just too much for me anymore.